Dare 2 Live Well with Dr. Rochelin Herold

Are we treating sickness instead of building real health?

In this episode of Conversations with Rich Bennett, Rich sits down with chiropractor, wellness advocate, and author Dr. Rochelin Herold to explore why modern healthcare often focuses on managing symptoms instead of helping people truly thrive.

Dr. Herold grew up in Brooklyn in a Haitian household that emphasized discipline, faith, and perseverance. Those early lessons shaped his approach to health and led him to a career in chiropractic care and integrative wellness. With nearly two decades of experience helping patients restore their health naturally, he now shares his philosophy through his book Dare 2 Live Well, which focuses on prevention, personal responsibility, and building lifelong healthy habits.

In this powerful conversation, Dr. Herold explains how people can stop relying solely on reactive healthcare and start building a proactive wellness strategy that improves both quality and length of life.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

• Why many healthcare systems are designed to manage illness instead of promoting wellness
 • How chiropractic care supports the body’s natural ability to heal
 • The critical connection between inflammation, nutrition, and long-term health
 • Why building your own healthcare “dream team” is essential
 • How healthier habits today create generational health for future families

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Dr. Rochelin Herold
 Website: www.dare2livewell.com

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Book: Dare 2 Live Well

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Transcript

Wendy & Rich 0:01
Coming to you from the Freedom Federal Credit Union Studios, Hartford County Living presents Conversations with Rich Bennett. 

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Rich Bennett 0:27
So what if everything you've been told about health was incomplete? Not just how to feel better, but why so many of us are stuck managing symptoms instead of building real, lasting wellness? Today's guest, Dr. Roshan Howard, believes most people were never taught how to truthfully live well, physically, mentally or even generationally. From growing up in Brooklyn in a Haitian household rooted in faith and resilience, to serving communities here in Maryland, and even providing care in Haiti after a devastating earthquake, his work is about more than treatment. It's about responsibility, courage, and legacy. And in his book Dare to Live Well, he challenges us to stop outsourcing our health and start owning it. Do you hear that? Start owning it. So this conversation might just change how you think about your body, your family, and your future. first of all, all right, I got to dig about Dr. Harold, Dr. Roshan, Roshan. What do you like to be go and not late for dinner? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:37
So Dr. Roshan is coming. I mean, most of my patients call me Dr. It's funny because most of the patients in office, I'm Dr. Harold. Outside 

Rich Bennett 1:48
Okay. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:48
the office is usually Dr. Rosh. Most people know me on a personal basis because as you'll be able to tell, and as your audience will be able to tell, I'm very personable. So I, you know, Dr. Roshan's fire. 

Rich Bennett 1:58
Okay. All right. So before we get into the book, before you became Dr. Roshan. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 2:05
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 2:05
Before did degrees and the practice? Who were you growing up in Brooklyn and in handy, your family shaped the way you see health and responsibility today? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 2:16
Man. Well, I mean, that's, that's a great question. First of all, thank you so much for allowing me some space on conversations with the one and only rich Bennett. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else on a snow day today. 

Rich Bennett 2:29
Those of you listed, we still have the battle for 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 2:31
Why 

Rich Bennett 2:31
the snow 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 2:32
not? Oh, exactly. 

Rich Bennett 2:33
outside. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 2:34
Now, you know, I grew up in Brooklyn, man. You know, I had, I came from two great, hard work in parents. They were actually business owners. They had, they owned a travel agency that maybe had, like, about four to five locations at one point. 

Rich Bennett 2:49
Oh, wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 2:49
Father, I used to travel with him to like JFK, LaGuardia. He was almost had it not been for all the crazy political things going on at the time. He was on track to creating his own airline. He was already chartering flights going back and forth to Haiti and other other destinations in a 

Rich Bennett 3:08
Wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 3:08
Caribbean. So just like there was like a air Jamaica at one point, once, you know, we were, you know, we were doing pretty good. But everything happened back in the '90s and the business fell apart. We're all family. But what happened was that while I was growing up, they still, what I learned from my mom and my dad was just real good, hard working values, right? Learning that, you know, you know, you got to get up early and go to work. You've got to give it your best no matter what you do, whether I was sweeping the sidewalk, whether I was, you know, cleaning in front. Like if it was a snow day, I was trying to instill that same thing with my son, like whatever you're going to do, make sure you do it to the best of your ability, 

Rich Bennett 3:51
Right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 3:51
right? Sometimes you only got one shot. So I've kind of taken that, you know, value of hard work and I put it in healthcare. I put it in everything that I do. Also, it was just more of a natural, like a lot of times we weren't always like running to the hospital for every little sickness and all of that stuff. I used to, you know, help you get better with just more natural substances, herbs and things of that nature. But unfortunately, I was still the sickest out of all my family. I was the sickest, right? If there was a medicine 

Rich Bennett 4:22
house. Really? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 4:22
cabinet in the Yeah, if there was a medicine cabinet in the house, I would probably have 80% of what was in there. So, you know, I always had this respect for medicine, but this disdain. Because they didn't have all this bubble gum flavor and 

Rich Bennett 4:38
yeah, uh, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 4:39
You know, I would, you know, I would have to, I'd have asthma, I would have allergies, I would have all these things going on. And um, just having to take, you know, medicine that just did not sit well with me. I always liked health care. I know in, in the seventh grade, I learned the body and I just was intrigued about how the muscles work and how the bones were organized, how we were just, you know, intricate, you know, a 

Rich Bennett 5:04
yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 5:04
fear wonderfully made, right. Uh, and then from there, I just kind of took that desire to learn more about the body into, you know, high school and then college and then eventually ended up deciding to become a chiropractor. 

Rich Bennett 5:17
Wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 5:18
You know, in college. So it was one of those things where because I had that early love for just, um, doing everything that I wanted to do in terms of getting people better. I just kind of used that to kind of learn more about health care and, and that became my like driving force to really try to figure out like not just how, how are people currently treating the body. But how does the body work? Because before we put something in, and this is one thing I'll tell your audience like it's always good to get understanding and all that getting, get understanding. So don't just say, Hey, I've got this problem. I've got that problem. Let me take this. Let me take that. How is it supposed to be working is the first question, right. Um, and if my spine is supposed to work where when I stand up, it should be supported. When I sit down, I should not have pain. When I'm sleeping, I should not have pain. Now, it's having pain when I'm doing just these simple things that the body is designed to do. So, you know, where, where is it going wrong? And what can I do naturally to get it back to functioning naturally. So I really wanted to learn how the body works from the inside out. And that's kind of what led us to where we are today. 

Rich Bennett 6:29
All right. You said you were already in college when you decided you wanted to learn about chiropractic care. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 6:35
Yes, I was already in college. And in fact, I've never been to a chiropractor. So we were talking about some other chiropractic 

Rich Bennett 6:41
Wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 6:41
families. 

Rich Bennett 6:42
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 6:42
I'm about, you know, you know, when I went to chiropractic school, it's only then when I realized people were getting adjusted for like generations, add friends where they were adjusted since they were babies. You know, their mom was pregnant. And I knew nothing about that. To me, a chiropractor was something that either people that were either like very rich or very hurt went to that was no, it was no, we, we got to have a family chiropractor, there was no thought of that. 

Rich Bennett 7:09
Right 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 7:10
either I got into a real, but car accident and I'm in severe pain or, you know, or that was it. Really. So it wasn't until I started learning. And what drew me to chiropractic was that it aligned with where I was. I was, remember I told you I liked how the body worked 

Rich Bennett 7:27
right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 7:28
I really didn't like medicine. And I had at that time I had so much patience in my family, the CEOs or or the clinic directors of, you know, pediatrician that's a psychiatry, nursing. My mom worked in healthcare, I had so many people that worked in healthcare on both sides of my family, that kind of, you know, I saw it, but I just didn't want to, you know, work with giving people the same stuff that I never liked taking myself. So, the more I looked up chiropractic and the more I looked up, that hey, wait a minute. This is really working with the body. It's working from the spine, which is where most of the information throughout the body. It's flowing throughout the spine. It is third most important organ of the body outside of the brain and heart. And all of the information for us to function for us to talk, for us to breathe, for us to get up and move around. It's going in, it's going passing through the spine. Information is coming in through the spine. And then information is going out through the vertebral column. So that's why chiropractors focus so much on the spine. Now we also adjust extremities and shoulders and knees and all of that. But even hypocritees who was known as a father of modern medicine, he said, look well to the spine first for the cause, because in it might, there might be the cause of most of the diseases and infirmities that happen in the body. 

Rich Bennett 9:00
Well, I was going to say, don't most don't all the nerves really come off the 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 9:03
well. 

Rich Bennett 9:04
spine as 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 9:04
They all the nerves come outside of your cranial nerves and 

Rich Bennett 9:07
I yeah 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 9:07
Yeah, all of the nerves are going to have to pass, they have to pass through that main highway. So, and the University of Colorado, they had a study that showed that your nerve root, which is like that little bubble, if you look at the spine, it's almost like the little bubble of the nerve. And then the nerve goes out into the fingers, into the toes, into the GI track. But that little bubble or aka the nerve root that comes right off of the spine, the weight of a dime can decrease or increase the output of that nerve by up to about 60%. So, you can, so you can shift how much information is going to or coming from the body just by alleviating pressure that close to the spine. And we're just talking about one segment. 

Rich Bennett 9:54
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 9:54
And somebody, when I'm looking at MRIs today and people have multiple discs, people that multiple discs of injuries and bulges, or they've got muscle spasms that's locking up the whole area, you can see how that would affect their arm or the rest of the body, or their GI track and all the other non-musculoskeletal conditions that 

Rich Bennett 10:16
as 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 10:17
well. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:18
All right, I have a two-part question for you here. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 10:20
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:21
Because I didn't realize this about your family. Your parents 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 10:25
grow. Okay. 

Rich Bennett 10:27
So, two-part question. What lessons actually stuck with you that from being growing up in the household and then also going to school to become a chiropractor, that you didn't realize mattered until later. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 10:45
What lessons stuck? You know what? For one, I think that I learned very early on the body heals itself and the body's a self-healing organism. That is something that even though in healthcare, it's known as a fact, but it's not used in how they treat the body. 

Rich Bennett 11:07
Right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 11:08
It was the minute that somebody has something and you go somewhere. A lot of times they're trying to steer the body away from what it's naturally designed to do. So that was one lesson that I learned. Another one I would say is really just doing your best at everything that you can. And, you know, to me, I think that later on, I think it was until much, much later on, I realized I want to say it was more from the business standpoint. Like I said, my parents were business owners, and there was a lot that happened. I realized that it took a lot of hard work to really not just have your name on it. I think we were talking about that earlier with podcasting and all of that. But I think they showed me the value of when you are a business owner, you're not just in business for yourself. You're in business with the community, you know. I used to, it's funny that you exact question. You know, you must, this is not your first interview. 

Because, no, the reason why I say that is because I actually used to be angry with my parents because they work so much, and I also used to be angry that, like I said, there was five different offices. My father was actually always on the radio on WLIB. He would always be hosting community events and all 

Rich Bennett 12:41
stuff. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 12:41
of that and I didn't realize that him being a business owner meant that he was sharing himself with the community. And 

Rich Bennett 12:50
But, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 12:50
I think that I've realized that now, and even with my kids, I try to bring them along and I try to show them, like, hey, if I'm missing or if I'm gone for most of the time, I want you to come up to one of this philanthropic event that we're doing or we're working with this organization or donating over here, or even with doing things with my fraternity and all of that. I think that the family now knows that our business, wherever we have a location, we're not just there so that we can, you know, take from that area, right? Just... Right. Bill and co-pays or whatever, where there to be a part of that community and where there to be an integral part of how we get that community better as a whole, right? And I think that's where from my bachelor's which was more like X-Fiz and learning about the body and learning more singular like how the body works. My master's was in public health because my master's was more, hey, well, now that I know how to get rich better. Now, if everybody that works where rich is working or everybody that does podcasting to have a lower back pain or everybody in this neighborhood or if everybody in this sub-segment of the population is dealing with the same issues, what can I do from a public health program to get them better as a whole, because obviously the trends are moving in a negative light like more and more people that have in surgeries, more and more people are getting knee replacements early on, more and more people are being sent to, you know, pain management and things of that nature, and having to have a dependency on pain management and pharmacological solutions rather than natural solutions. And that's what led me to write the book, because I was looking at after about 15 years of practice, I was looking at the public health trends that everybody was coming in with the same problem. Everybody was already seeing multiple doctors and not getting better. Everybody was being told to just ignore this small symptom that's actually something you need to take care of or sweep everything under the rug with a quick injection, quick pill, quick, and then things would balloon and get worse later. And so many people would be upset when we would just explain to them the truth about what's going on with their body, you know. 

Rich Bennett 15:21
Just masking the pain, I'm 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 15:23
exactly 

Rich Bennett 15:24
can't do that. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 15:25
yeah, yeah, because sooner or later it's going to show up and a lot of times, 

Rich Bennett 15:28
Yes, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 15:28
and this is when I tell a lot of patients, your pain never makes an appointment to show up. It's going to show up right in the middle of your podcast, right. It's going to show up in the middle of, you know, you're getting the kids to school, you're going to work, you're, you know, it's about, you know, you got one more big day and then you're getting that bonus or whatever it is. It's going to show up right when you least expected, and now it's going to force you to deal with it when it was just giving you warning signs early on that we've been taught to ignore. 

Rich Bennett 15:57
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 15:57
Tell standpoint, the system of healthcare is more of a sick care system. It's more of a, let's just, okay, if you're really bad, let's take care of it. But if it's not that bad, take two of these call me in the morning, and that's, that's our natural paradigm that we right now. So until healthcare has a paradigm shift, where we all realize that we are the best people to take care of ourselves, like we have to, we, we have to be the ones to step up and take care of our own. Our own bodies and our own health and also the health of our families. And that's why, 

Rich Bennett 16:35
oh, yeah, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 16:36
I wrote the book for everybody that is in charge of making the healthcare decisions, whether it's buying food on a table or setting up the doctor appointments for their family. That's what I wrote the book for. 

Rich Bennett 16:48
Well, the thing is to, because I, I've said this several times, I literally have to be on the brink of tears before I even pop a motrin. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 16:57
I know, 

Rich Bennett 16:59
I don't, I don't like that. And, and I think, Well, I know, for a fact that, skincare has helped me a lot. It's 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 17:08
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 17:08
helped with my headaches. It's helped with the arthritis. A 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 17:12
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 17:12
lot of people will probably tell me I'm full of it, but no, it's, it's the truth. And I never realized that, that, could take care of so many things. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 17:22
Yeah. And when you look at the inception of chiropractic, people were going to chiropractice for so many different ailments and that's why they bump head so much with the current time, the AMA, the American medical 

Rich Bennett 17:35
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 17:35
associate. And there was all of this, that was, of course, it was, it was founded to be not true and false. But there was so much, you know, dogbot and, and false information. I was put out of a chiropractic way back. We're talking like 1940's, 1950's, 

Rich Bennett 17:52
times. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 17:52
some early evall. You know, just for practice and chiropractic and getting people better and the current, uh, healthcare establishment at the time said, hey, you know, we're the only ones that can get people better, but people were getting better. 

Rich Bennett 18:07
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 18:07
So, you know, fast forward, you've had a lot of that kind of stick with a lot of the psyche of a lot of the older doctors, like some of the old school doctors, you know, I still might run into it where they'll, they'll be very, you know, anti chiropractic, but a lot of the newer doctors that are learning more about the benefits of integrative healthcare, which 

Rich Bennett 18:28
is, yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 18:28
We practice at the office, like we work with medical doctors, we work with surgeons and other healthcare entities because we want to collaborate with them, but our motto is let's see if we can get them better first naturally, and if 

Rich Bennett 18:44
Yes, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 18:44
we can get them better first naturally, now by all means, now you should probably be taking something because we don't want this to get out of control. 

Rich Bennett 18:52
right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 18:52
And if that doesn't work, now maybe we need pain-managed vent and all the other things that if that doesn't work, now we need surgery, but there's so many patients that I'm meeting and it really depends on the doctor that they meet first, so that's why it's very imperative for your audience to hear, like who you go to first actually determines the outcome of how you end up three to five years later. There was actually a study, I want to say this was the... This was in Washington state, they were looking at workers' cop cases, and they saw that out of all of the people, let's just say if there was a hundred people that went to get care for low-back pain, all of the ones that went to a surgeon first within three to five years, I want to say about I don't know the exact numbers, but an overwhelming majority of them ended up having surgery within three to five years. Compare to those that went to a chiropractor, the numbers were dramatically reduced 

Rich Bennett 19:51
oh yeah, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 19:52
for those... And I want to say it was like, I don't quote me on it, but it was upwards of like 70 to 80% of those that 

Rich Bennett 19:58
I 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 19:58
went... 

Rich Bennett 19:59
believe 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 19:59
Chiropractor 

Rich Bennett 19:59
it, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 20:00
three to five years guess what, they still didn't have surgery, why? Because we initially told them, hey listen, let's see what we can do naturally to alleviate this pain, get you out of pain, and also teach you a better maintenance program kind of like what you just spoke of, right? So, 

Rich Bennett 20:18
yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 20:19
like if you've got low-back pain from 30-40 years of whether you were in the service, just like you were, thank you for your service, or whether you were a contractor, you were sitting down, clerical, and just see it in Terry for most of your life. Now you've got a disc bulged L5, a herniated disc at C4, C5, there's not there's not one magic chiropractic adjustment, 

Rich Bennett 20:43
gonna... 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 20:43
that's just 

Rich Bennett 20:44
Right! 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 20:44
All of that go away, and you don't have to see us again, there's gonna be things that you're gonna have to do to manage your condition and maintain your condition so that you dial it back from the degenerative process that's already at work in the body. That's why chiropractic helps with arthritis, if that's why, as you said, you might go maybe once every five, six weeks or something like 

Rich Bennett 21:07
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 21:08
that, because it makes a difference, it makes a difference. 

Rich Bennett 21:11
Oh big time, and we're gonna get into the bulk, but the other thing I think that made a big difference with me is also, I started dropping the weight. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 21:23
Oh there 

Rich Bennett 21:23
And 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 21:23
you go. 

Rich Bennett 21:24
when you start feeling better because the chiropractic care helped, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 21:28
yes, 

Rich Bennett 21:29
you can do more, and I, oh my god, I never thought I'd see my toes again. But I can... Yeah, now I can walk farther and all that. I want to bring up another point you could... How long have you been practicing now? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 21:47
Man, it feels like just yesterday. Thank god! Thank god for my youth, or at least they'll feel in young, but I started practicing in 2008 so I'm going... I think I'm going on my 18th year of chiropractic. 

Rich Bennett 22:00
Oh, so just in that time, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 22:03
how 

Rich Bennett 22:04
many... I mean, when it goes to chiropractic care, how many different tools have come out to help you as a chiropractor to help people? Because, and I'm bringing this up because I think this is where when are the biggest misconceptions of people having about chiropractor? They could have gone to a chiropractor 10 years ago, but that chiropractor may not have had the tools that they have today, whether... 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 22:28
Oh yeah 

Rich Bennett 22:28
yeah! 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 22:28
yeah 

Rich Bennett 22:28
New table or whatever. So just in the time you've been there, which has been some of the biggest improvement you've seen. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 22:35
Well, you know what, I think that, uhm, part of the, uhm, part of the public perception of kai operatic. Especially right now because you've got all of these youtubers that's out there, doing all of these, you know, crazy adjustments. And even people like making fun of it, like, I've seen one where somebody sent me. 

That is, and I 

Rich Bennett 23:05
think back 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 23:06
in the day, there was, for one day was a wide spectrum of kai operatic. So you had light adjusting or short tissue adjusting, and then you also had more high, high velocity or, or, or stronger adjustments. And I think those are the ones that maybe it might give some people apprehension. 

Rich Bennett 23:23
Right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 23:24
But I think over throughout time, kai operatic has evolved. So for one, right now, there's about, I would say probably well over 150 techniques, maybe even more, just within kai operatic, just within how to get somebody better. Now, 

Rich Bennett 23:39
wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 23:39
Out of all of those, some of it might be more soft tissue base. Some of it might be more, uhm, manipulation base, and then within the school of kai operatic, are we adjusting just one segment, or, or we, more of, like, a, a kai operatic biophysics, or are we looking at the whole region, and trying to make sure that the whole region, like, a whole cervical area, like, a whole neck curve looks better, rather than just looking at C5. And that's made a big difference. So what we've done in our office, is that we have evolved in a way where, for one, we start everybody off with a light adjusting, just so that, you know, we, we don't know what they've introduced to our 

Rich Bennett 24:22
right, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 24:22
Okay, having been, so we'll start everybody off one with a thorough examination, we want to find out what's going on, we want to see how we can help them, what they've done, what they haven't done, from there, we kind of come up with, like, a tailored treatment plan, so that our office is integrative. So kai practice is that the cornerstone of what we do, but 

Rich Bennett 24:41
right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 24:41
it's not the only thing that we do. So, and that's another thing, like, there's some kai practice that are known as straight kai practice, meaning they're only going to adjust you, and they're going to leave you alone. And in most cases, you'll see where that works, because that's all the patient needs. Now, most people that come to us, they are more on the severe side like we actually specialize in helping a lot of people that have not been helped by physical therapy, pain management, or other kai practice. So, or we've partnered with other kai practice, where they'll send some of their more complex patients to us. So, we actually proud ourselves on that, because, you know, everybody's got their own technique that they 

Rich Bennett 25:25
in. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 25:25
specialize And with us, we're used to kind of dealing with those complex patients and patients that haven't had help in using other avenues. So that's why we kind of slow down the exam process, really figure out what's going on, and really tailor the treatments. So we do a good bit of physical therapy in the office as well. But within the chiropractic techniques, there is something called activator that is a very light force technique. Activator's like a little tool. It almost looks like a little pogo stick. And I can put it right on C5, and it's just going to shift the bone just enough to at least stimulate the nerves, that sense what's called your mechanoreceptors, your proprioceptors, and it's really just going to stimulate them enough to at least start to get some motion into the body. So 

Rich Bennett 26:10
Yeah, okay. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 26:11
our practice has evolved a lot. I know a lot of people still feel like it's the big wrestling moves that people are going to be doing. All the crazy stuff on YouTube, but once somebody walks through their first treatment with us, what they're seeing is that, okay, you know what? They're really just trying to help get my body to mobilize and to move better. 

Rich Bennett 26:33
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 26:33
We start them very light, and then we progress as time moves forward. But sometimes just starting them very light, that's enough to at least start the process of the healing. And people are amazed at how much quicker they're feeling better even after going to all these different areas is just a matter of, did we address the disc with spinal disc compression? Did we minimize the inflammation with maybe things like code laser therapy or muscle stammer, something like that? Did we bring more oxygen to the area using things like shockwave therapy or pulse wave? And with us, we have what's called the renewed process and 

Rich Bennett 27:14
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 27:14
not renewed process is almost like a protocol on how we get people better. And it's it's more of a trademark system that used that I developed over my 18 years and once we take them to the process, make sure that we're giving them reducing inflammation, making sure we address the nutrition, making sure that even if we need to incorporate things like stem cells and regenerative medicine, those are things that we do at the office and we partner with other doctors as well to perform. 

Rich Bennett 27:47
Did you say nutrition? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 27:48
I sure did sir, because you know why the healing happens at a cellular level. People have to understand they can't say, oh man, I'm going to the car practice, but I'm still not getting better. But I'm still not getting better but they're saying that on the fast food drive through, and they're saying that drinking their eighth cup of coffee for the day or having the fried foods or whatever it is. 

Rich Bennett 28:16
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 28:16
Which sweet so. Healing happens at a cellular level and people have to understand that we are what we eat. I know that's a cliche saying, but we are 

Rich Bennett 28:25
we eat. But 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 28:26
what 

Rich Bennett 28:26
it's true. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 28:27
Right. Yes. Yes. And so many times people are in trouble because their body is in a state of inflammation. It's one 

Rich Bennett 28:36
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 28:36
thing to be out of alignment, but it's another thing to be out of alignment. And you're inflamed being out of alignment. So now the structures that remember, we know how the body works. We know that disc can absorb a lot of pressure, but if that, if the fluid in that disc is almost all gone, we're about 70 plus percent water, right? All throughout the body. So if the disc, if the disc is almost dehydrated to the point where the disc should act like a natural jelly donut where water or fluid or blood flow should be able to go naturally inside your disc and outside of your disc. If your spine is moving properly, but when that small mechanism is locked, that's where so many people get into trouble. So if we're adjusting you, but we're not addressing and we're not rebuilding or reviving the spinal disc through something like spinal disc decompression, we're only you're only going to get that, you know, 50% improvement, but you still got the research in here or you're 50% improving, but you still got some of that sciatic is still going down the leg or anything like that. So we've got to deal with nutrition. We have to at least talk to patients about it and the patients, especially those that are going through the regenerative medicine program or our natural medicine program, we make sure that we give them a liquid vitamin nutrition so that their body has all of the ready building blocks to start rebuilding whatever it is that the body moves to rebuild. 

Rich Bennett 30:07
Wow, which is why it's also important for people that are going to a chiropractor. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 30:23
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:25
Yeah. Yeah. The number one, I would say the number one litmus test on how much of over my 18 years and I've seen, and like I said, we've, if you think about it, just like you said, sometimes you have to wait for you. You really do. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 30:47
That's typically most people that's walking into our office, right? They've waited, or they've delayed. And for us to have a high success rate with those patients that have already either been neglected or mistreated or misdiagnosed somewhere else. The number one litmus test or number one factor that somebody gets better or not is their compliance. Because we've seen a lot of tough cases, um, rich, that, um, even I was, I was a front with them and said, look, if we get 20, 30% improvement, you know, we're doing good. And actually got better because in their mindset, they were determined to get better. And so many people, I think, and I don't know, and maybe that's a larger question in healthcare. I feel like because healthcare has just been given people just whatever and people have just been so dissatisfied with the system. I almost feel like people don't believe that they can really feel better or maybe they feel like they don't deserve to feel as good as they should feel at, you know, 65 or they just accepted, right? Because so many times I'm trying to beat up that myth of, well, you know, it's old. It's age. No, it's not age because I have 10 other patients, your age, and they're feeling great, right? So it's not. If you can't say it's age and then you and I spoke about the weight issue, it's not weight because I can grab 10 other people with your same weight and they don't have that right knee pain. sciatica, they don't have a bilateral cervical radiculopathy. So yes, the weight is a factor and it adds to it. But we've got to have the mindset to get better. And that's why when I was talking when I created, came up with a title for my book, I had to speak to the mindset and that's why I said dare to live well because that dare back when you were a kid, 

Rich Bennett 32:44
Yes, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 32:44
you know, you wouldn't do anything, right? No, we wouldn't do much. We wouldn't go into the mud patch or we wouldn't go here. But once somebody said, "Hey, I dare you to do it." Now, at least you're thinking about it, because now the pressure is on. And then when they double dog or triple dog, they're, "Oh, whatever." Now you got to do it, right? Or you're getting fun. And it's going to playground. But that's what it was. It was dare to live well because that dare, there has to be a mindset shift for you. There has to be a mindset, especially now, if you're just dealing with a typical sprain that's going to go away on its own, I'm not talking about that. That, you can do it. You can, you know, get an adjustment. You can do this. You can do that, take a motion, whatever. But for the stuff that's really bad and it's not going away, your mindset is going to have to change especially if you've been dealing with that for at least a year or more. You're going to have, you know, what's the definition of insanity, right? Doing the same thing, expecting a different result. So your mindset has to change, and that's where that dare comes from. And there has to be accountability. There are two. It's a number two. 

Rich Bennett 33:47
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 33:48
The number two is because usually I want people to at least part of the way you change that mindset is one, having somebody that you want to be an accountability partner, but I think what helps a lot of people get better and pushes them into the right direction is when they're living better for someone, and that's the one to be living or pass like I've had some patients that said, hey, my dad, they're coming to me. Why? Because my, you know, they're parents for their own. They're, you know, grandparents had five, six surgeries. People have already seen, I think this generation, the reason why there's this apprehension with healthcare and with just taken to an ease and call him in a warning, and that's why that whole patriarchal nature of the healthcare system is kind of faltered is because people have seen the results of what modern medicine does. 

Rich Bennett 34:40
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 34:40
People have seen the results and the negative results. I'm not talking about all the great things that happens. But I'm just talking about all of the things that have just been swept under the rug and people have just asked questions as they should. Hey, wait a minute. Why did my dad have five lower back surgeries? Could he have avoided the first one, which would have avoided that whole domino effect that I mean, all these other ones back in, you know, subsequently. So people are just paying attention and they're waking up, but they're waking up, but I feel like a lot of people there because YouTube is out there sometimes if they're not careful, they can just tag on to the wrong information. 

Rich Bennett 35:22
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 35:22
They might not get adequate information. They might get information that says, oh, don't see a counter-bracker. They might see one YouTube, but it says, oh, you know, I'm not doing well after one adjustment, but that's one case, that's one right, whatever. So you want to make sure you're doing the right research and you want to have respected and trusted sources. So the reason I wrote my book is anybody that knows, he knows that I'm an integral person, and I wanted to put the right information out there so that people could know, look, this is what the healthcare industry is, this is what you've got to do, you should have a team of health care providers. I feel like a high-bracker with somebody that's naturally minded should be one of those people on your team, 

Rich Bennett 36:05
a, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 36:05
just like you're putting 

Rich Bennett 36:06
absolutely. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 36:07
If you're putting a football, a soccer, a basketball, a baseball team together, you're going to draft, you're going to get people with different skills, you're going to, because you want to win the championship. 

Rich Bennett 36:14
So yeah, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 36:16
I call it your healthcare dream team. Every one of your listeners should start developing your healthcare dream team. Okay, I have a primary care that I can trust. Okay, check, family has a history of heart disease. So I've got a cardiologist that I'm seeing. Okay, check, dad had five back surgeries. Okay, I've got a chiropractor trusted the family seeing, check, and then you build that healthcare team based on the assessment that's also in the book, based on all the things that you've got, whether it's mental health. Do you need a mental health professional on your team? Do you need whatever it is? Internal, internal, rheumatologist, whatever it is, the sooner you can build that team and start getting checked early. So we can start preventing getting the colonoscopy, getting the prostate scan, getting the, you know, heart checked, right? EKG. 

Rich Bennett 37:08
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 37:08
Well, that's the more you build that team and you start doing it early. Now we start living well, which is optimal 

Rich Bennett 37:16
and longer. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 37:16
And I was just about to say, what's well optimal function for a longer 

Rich Bennett 37:21
of. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 37:21
period 

Rich Bennett 37:21
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 37:23
Everybody's living longer. We know that what's the quality of the life that you want to live, because we know that we're living longer now, right, Rich? 

Rich Bennett 37:31
Yes, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 37:31
So people are not dying off it 60, 68, like they were 50, 60 years ago, that we're living to our 90s and hundreds, right. Due to the advancement of healthcare, which is great. But what's the condition I'm meeting people in their 30s and 40s that, you know, their discs are like more than 50% gone, because they play PEWY football, or they did gymnastics or they did rigorous competition at an early age. And now by the time that they're 30 and 40, their disc spaces are very, very thin. 

Rich Bennett 38:04
yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:04
What are they doing to preserve what's left? That's what dare to live well as all about. 

Rich Bennett 38:10
I've always said I have a goal. I'm going to make it to at least 100. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:13
There you go, man. 

Rich Bennett 38:14
And if I would have been doing this stuff that I was doing before, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:20
say that 

Rich Bennett 38:20
Know 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:20
again. 

Rich Bennett 38:20
what? If I was doing this stuff, I was doing it for Mary. I probably wouldn't be here today, in 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:25
Yep. 

Rich Bennett 38:25
all honesty. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:26
Yep. Yep. 

Rich Bennett 38:26
Sometimes I'm surprised that I am of all the stupid stuff that I used to 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:30
I 

Rich Bennett 38:30
do. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:30
know. I know. 

Rich Bennett 38:32
I mean, it's just mind-boggling. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 38:34
If everybody could talk to the younger selves, like, um, one thing with, uh, MSI, we actually partnered with a couple of like the local, um, like police stations and, uh, ultimate police, uh, department. So whenever they're doing a wellness check, because we see so many, um, we have so many patients that are retirees of, you know, state police, police, um, county police, you know, you name it, right? With law enforcement. And so many of them are like, man, if I could spoken to my 20 year old when I just got on the forest or when I just started wearing the gun belt or I was a young firefighter and I just, and I thought I was invincible and I was in the gym. Everybody in their 40s, 50s, 60s, they wish they could have that conversation. That's the conversation that I try to have in the book with them so that they know, look, you're not gonna live this way forever. And because you're living longer, you have to start making the decisions now. got us on making it now. 

Rich Bennett 39:32
Yeah, I, and that's something that a lot of people don't even think about you look at the first responders and military. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 39:39
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 39:40
We are always carrying so much weight on our bodies that whether it be Flag Jack is the gun belts fire fire, I mean that, that's not heavy. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 39:51
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 39:52
it takes a toll on your body. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 39:54
It is. 

Rich Bennett 39:56
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Dr. Rochelin Herold 40:58
Listen, I'll tell you right now. So in the book, I want to say it's chapter... I want to say it's probably chapter seven, probably chapter six, chapter seven. I said everybody needs a chiropractor. First, I just kind of go into what it is, what is the self-explanation, why there's so much of a difference in the school of thought with chiropractor. At least they kind of get from a top-down view of what is a chiropractor and then they could understand going in, "Okay I went into this office, this is more of an integrated office." I went into this office, this is more of a straight chiropractor. And at least they know. I'm not saying this one is more right than the other, that's more the internal fight within the chiropractic profession. We'll figure that out as we kind of build what the chiropractic identity looks like. 

Rich Bennett 41:45
Right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 41:46
forward. Like you have some kind of practice that want the prescription rights to prescribe, you know, motoring or this and that. And then others are saying, oh, that's a slippery slope. Once we start getting, once we start doing anything with the pharmaceutical industry, they're just going to kick the door wide open and we 

Rich Bennett 42:02
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 42:02
won't never identity anymore. So that's the internal fight. But I don't want the public to kind of worry about that. I just want them to know you might see this one or you might see that one, depending on what's going on. But I said there was at least seven, they're seven groups within the population that need to see a CHI practice yesterday, like, you know, because of the advancements of where everything is. And because of the benefits of CHI practice, the care and the benefits of how much better they can be living their lives. Number one, where people were people who were involved in any auto accident. And that was one of them. Another one is pregnant moms and also young babies. People don't realize some of the first fluctuations have been through that birthing process. So many pregnant women, young moms that are out there, are young women that are pregnant, like here's the thing in healthcare, we already know they're going to be in pain. We already 

Rich Bennett 42:59
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 42:59
know the biomechanics of their body is going to change. Some of them might have already had some disk issues or some muscular issues or anything or misalignment issues that were happening before the pregnancy. Now you're adding 30, 40, some cases, almost even 50 extra pounds of weight and shifting the spine around. So they absolutely, I feel like every once a young woman knows that they're pregnant, we should start looking for a good chiropractor to help co-manage them and work with their OBGYN or the midwife they're working with. But that's one of the groups that is in my book that I'm saying these are people in the population where it should not even be a question. So we've got auto accidents, we've got young adults, young athletes. People don't realize that when you see your chiropractor and your kid on and they're doing the people you football, high school football, or soccer, all of the gymnastics and that's such a... When I talk to some of my patients that are the teenagers, they're practicing for two or three hours a day. 

Rich Bennett 44:07
And 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 44:08
then they're going out and they're playing the whole weekend. And you mean to tell me that they're just able to do that and just walk it off and sleep it off? Get your kids adjusted. Like you're adding so much extra stress and trauma to their spine that they're not going to see until should they make it into the big leagues or I know it's a small percentage but should they make it? Now they're in their late 20s, early 30s and they're dealing with all these disc issues and misalignment issues that could have been addressed if they were seeing a chiropractor earlier. 

Rich Bennett 44:40
And I like to add another one to that. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 44:43
Oh yeah, I've got more 

Rich Bennett 44:45
dance, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 44:46
Oh yeah, dance. Yep, yeah, dance is so rigorous. In fact, most of the young ladies that come in, if I have a new patient and they're in there, let's say young lady, I would say maybe mid 20s and they've got either like severe neck and lower back pain. I already know I'm going and this is that public health. I don't sell 

Rich Bennett 45:06
right? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 45:06
it. I already know that they're gonna be in that population that either the gymniacics or dance, right? And yeah, and that is it. I'm maybe throwing like lacrosse and field hack maybe as other one, yeah, but but those two, it puts in a lot. It puts a lot of stress on them. So the young adults, the athletes, the elderly of course, due to the arthritis, there's so much benefits of just keeping motion into the joints that slows down the rate of inflammation in the arthritis. That's why once you're over 65, you should have it. It shouldn't even be a question of, yeah, I think I'm thinking about seeing a guy, but you should have one. Now, having one with the right technique so that you're going in and of course, you know, you're feeling better at the end. That's what doing your research and all of that is about. And then after that, what else was it? I want to say, oh, two more people with scoliosis, right? 

Rich Bennett 46:02
Oh, yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 46:02
As soon as you know that there's some scoliosis, you should be getting managed just throughout your care. You should be on some maintenance program. Why? Because the pressure is building up in your smile on what's called the apex of your curve. That is the most rigorous part of the bend. And I have some patients were catching them early, even in their teens. And they're at 20, 30 degrees of a curve when you should have no curve in your smile. So what are we doing to at least offset that, the traditional medical models just put them in a brace, maybe give them some PT exercises. But chai practice is a great add on and it's a great compliment to just making sure that we're doing the best, right? What's all we can do is just do the best for them and I know everybody wants the best for their kids. Last one I would say active or retired military. When I hear the stories jumping out of planes and getting up at 4-5 a. m. with football gear and marching and all of this. That's the other, if I see a younger person, male or female, and they've got an L5 that's pretty much squished. And I'm just like, man, this person is so young when I go into the history, yeah, I did five years in Marines, 

Rich Bennett 47:22
No. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 47:22
Navy, arm, you name it. But it ends up like what I always thought to tell people is, we're not invincible. We're not invincible. We're not robots. I don't care how you feel right now. I don't care if you are a young bodybuilder and you're throwing up weight and you're competing or if you're military or whatever it is or if you're doing gymnastics or dance and you're doing it sooner or later, it's going to catch up with you. So it's not a matter of, if it catches up, it's a 

Rich Bennett 47:54
It 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 47:54
win. 

Rich Bennett 47:55
will. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 47:56
Get ahead of it. Dare to live well now. Build a healthcare team. If you were one of those people that I mentioned, you will thank me later if you find yourself a good cardiopractor. 

Rich Bennett 48:10
One of the things, one that you mentioned and it surprises me, the amount of people that have it and don't go see a cardiopractor is scoliosis. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 48:18
I know. 

Rich Bennett 48:20
To me, that should be automatic. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 48:22
It should be automatic, and uhm, and you know what's crazy, uhm, I've had some patients that said, yeah, they went to a chifractive, but because their scoliosis was, you know, at a certain degrees that the chifractive didn't want to work with them or send them somewhere else. With us, we are, like I said, we're used to dealing with a lot of the complex cases, but that's where the examination comes in. You don't want to just, and I think, and I think, maybe even some healthcare professionals, uhm, they might be under the interpretation that somebody's not going to be properly evaluated first before they are treated, and for, for some offices, that might be the case. 

Rich Bennett 49:08
Right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 49:08
Like I've had people tell me, yes, as soon as I went in, like everybody that finishes our first appointment, they, one of the first things that I'm not even asking them, they're telling us, this was different, this was very thorough. This, this is the most, uhm, analysis that I've had, uhm, by far. Why? Because we're just looking at the body from multiple different angles. Are we getting images? Are we testing bilateral weight pressure? Are we doing the proper orthopedic tests, muscle tests, range of motion? Are we checking the nerves? Are we? So there's just so much stuff that we do on that first exam, uhm, and that really sets us apart, and that, like I said, that's part of that renewed process, but that really sets us apart from, uh, from a lot of the other offices that are out there. Physical therapy, chiropractic, even pain management doctors, most of the times when patients go to other doctors, they'll get evaluated, but they won't even get touched by the doctor. 

Rich Bennett 50:08
Yeah, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 50:09
And they'll say, man, well, you know, this is my fourth, facility that I went to for this treatment, but you're actually the first doctor that's actually touching me on the exam. Think about that, Rich, like how do you know what something feels like, what something, so you mean the time they're just listening, taking their word for it and then just prescribing them a, you know, a muscle lecture or whatever. So, you know, it, it really, it really pays to just slow it down in the beginning. Let's find out what's wrong, and then from there, let's come up with the best tailored, not cookie cutter, a tailored treatment plan. Not everybody that comes to the office needs decompression. 

Rich Bennett 50:49
yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 50:49
Not everybody needs co-blazer or shockwave, not everybody needs stem cell or regenerative medicine. But for the people that do, let's have that conversation, and then we go there. 

Rich Bennett 51:00
So with the, with the book, because it came out, what April 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:03
20, 

Rich Bennett 51:03
of 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:04
it came out June of 2025. Okay. Yeah, it came out, it came out in 2025. 

Rich Bennett 51:14
Okay. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:15
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 51:15
So with it because, I mean, I believe every family should have it. It's a guy. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:21
Yes. Yes. And that's a road to families. 

Rich Bennett 51:24
Is there any particular type of business that you think this book should be in and here's my thinking, I'm thinking God, you know, military first 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:35
all. 

Rich Bennett 51:35
of 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:35
Yeah, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 51:36
yeah, when you get, when they get out, they should be giving like a care package or whatever, but it'd be nice if this book was in there as well. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:44
If you can take me to the higher ups 

Rich Bennett 51:47
of 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 51:48
the chain command, I would love to work out a deal with the middle, yeah, I would. Because it really just give people an introduction into where health care is now, but also what it could be like, what it could be like. I think this book should be in other doctor's offices. 

Rich Bennett 52:07
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 52:08
really talks about how people should be treated at the doctor. What are some questions that they should be asking their doctor? And then also, what does a typical visit to any doctor's office look like? I feel like, and I haven't gotten a chance to do this yet, but I'd love to partner with other kind of crackers to get this book, if they don't have their own book. Why? Because it speaks so highly about what they do as a profession. And it just talks so highly about how important it is for that patient to be in that office, you know? So every chiropractor, but also all allied health professionals. So that's acupuncturism, massage spaces, they should have the book. And then also, even from a corporate wellness standpoint, I used to, I thought before I went into chiropractic, I thought I was going to go into corporate wellness, that was a basic, I used to work for Pfizer, actually, in their corporate headquarters, and they had a gym within their corporate headquarters. So that, and why did they have that? Because the companies we're seeing, this is maybe like late '90s, early 2000s, that if they invest for all, if every dollar that they invest in their employee getting better, they see it in the productivity. 

Rich Bennett 53:24
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 53:25
Also in their ROI with the production. Where the patient was showing up, not calling out out of work and not calling out. So some of the major corporations and businesses that are out in the county, or even some, You know, Jones, Junction, like all the mechanics and all the guys that are there, they should be getting, you know? So just things like that is what, that's the next phase of what I'm doing, and I'm glad you got me thinking like that, because it's more, now instead of talking about it, singularly, because the book is available, the ultimate guide to building generational health. We didn't even talk about that, but 

Rich Bennett 54:06
yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 54:06
the ultimate guide to building generational health. It's available on Amazon, so it's available on Barnes & Noble, and people can also get it at www. drenalivewell.com. 

Rich Bennett 54:18
generation 

generational health, what exactly 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 54:25
is that? So generational health is the concept of, and that's looking at it from a public health standpoint, but it's a concept of building healthy habits that last beyond your generation. So notice, you started a lot of people, when I see the people that are coming in and that are actually more compliant, not as severe, and coming in more preventively. When I look at that population, one thing I see that they have in common is that their parents were coming to a chiropractor, right? So the same way that you can pass down negative behavior, because when you look at things like alcoholism, when you look at things like drug abuse, or things like that, or even with the surgeries, with people with multiple surgeries, when you look at it from a public health standpoint, you're going to see that there's a family history of it, and because nobody was able to dare to do something different, it kept going down into the family. So what I'm trying to tell people to do is that your healthcare is bigger than you. The decision that you're making is not just to get you better, but it's to get not just to people that it's in your family and beyond. But when you start living healthy or rich, all the people around you, whether it's a significant other, whether it's your colleagues, if they call you and you're like, "Oh yeah, I'm taking a nice walk. What are you taking a walk for?" "Oh, you're not just getting that physical activity in 30 minutes a day. Oh, well, maybe I should come with you some time." Well, you know, meet me here, I'm at the track, right? And it's contagious. So 

Rich Bennett 56:08
the 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 56:09
same way, how if God forbid we were doing negative habits, right? And you were drinking God forbid from morning to sundown, God forbid we were doing that. We could easily influence other people to do the same thing because we're coping with all of the stress in life and people are stressed out and they're like, "Oh, well, Uncle so-and-so is doing that." Well, that's what I'm going to do to cope with my stress. So the same way we could pass down negative habits, we should be determined to pass down positive, healthy habits. That's what generation-yeah. 

Rich Bennett 56:42
I love that. So pass on the good, hereditary, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 56:47
fast down the good, 

Rich Bennett 56:48
I 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 56:48
healthy- 

Rich Bennett 56:49
love that. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 56:49
Right? 

Rich Bennett 56:49
I love 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 56:50
And be intentional about it because guess what? Rich, I guarantee you rich, especially with you at this platform, people are watching you, people are watching people are watching whether they say they are or not and whether they are younger, same age, doesn't matter. People are 

Rich Bennett 57:05
that. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 57:05
watching. 

Rich Bennett 57:05
Oh, yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 57:06
So with that, with that in mind, be the best. Remember, I told you that value that I learned when I was younger, whatever you do, be the best at it. Right? Because sometimes you only get one shot. We only got one by one. 

Rich Bennett 57:20
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 57:21
Until we, you know, depending on your faith, you know, we get a glorified body or if somebody thinks you're getting reincarnated, whatever it is, but right now on this earth, as we're living and 

Rich Bennett 57:31
the 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 57:31
breathing 

Rich Bennett 57:31
hero now, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 57:32
we've got one L five. We've got one C four, one C five, we've got one smile, one vertebrae. So how are we treating it? How long is that going to last? And what are we doing to impact the lives of other people? That's where that building generational health is all about. Because, and the reason why did this rich was because remember, I told you my first chiropractic adjustment was, I was like 24, 25. And then I said, you know what? I think I can do this. Right. So I ended up, we got my chiropractor. But what happened was what I did was I saw people coming and they were coming with their kids and their kids were watching them get adjusted, but their kids must have been like four, five years old. And what I would tell every kid was, man, you know what? You're so lucky. I was like, I never saw a chiropractic adjustment until I was maybe, you know, I never saw a chiropractic adjustment till I actually got one and it was after I was thinking about becoming a chiropractor. So I was maybe like 24, 25 years old. 

Rich Bennett 58:39
Wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 58:40
I always tell those young four, five year olds, I'm like, you're so ahead of the curve. Just do what mom and dad is doing. Right. 

Rich Bennett 58:47
Yes. So 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 58:47
Do what mom and dad is doing. 

Rich Bennett 58:48
Yeah, I wanted to add something to that too. And for those of you listening, especially adults, do not try this at home. I think that's one of the places I really screwed up. I would always have the kids 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 59:06
walk over. Oh, Lord, I would call that I would call that the George Jefferson. I don't know if you 

Rich Bennett 59:10
remember. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 59:12
I forgot his neighbor, walk on his, he walked on his neighbors back. 

People are old enough to remember that. Yeah. Do not do this. And why like, there's a reason why chiropractor. It's funny, because people like you said, people are nervous about seeing chiroprakers. But once they see that we've had to do, you know, at least close to four years of schooling and clinical work and all of that. There's a reason for that. Now it's the safest thing that you can do in healthcare. How do we know that? Look at the third party industries. Look at what a chiropractor pays for help for a malpractice insurance. And then look at what a typical medical doctor pays for a malpact. And that's just a regular. I'm not even talking about a surgeon. 

Rich Bennett 59:58
Right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 59:58
And doctor that's prescribing, they are the best. They're the best industry at assessing risk. Right. So if I'm paying, I don't know, maybe 1,500 per year, then others are paying thousands more. Like there's way more risk with you taking a medication than it is to get adjusted. Way more risk. I don't care what they try to say or try to put out there or whatever. There's way more risk doing anything else outside of chiropractor is one of the safest things that you can do. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:32
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:00:32
That's what I tell my pregnant patients. That's what I tell the elderly patients. That's what I tell if we're talking to patients like we have a couple of babies who were just not, they weren't having proper digestion and they weren't having proper bowel movements, brought them to the chiropractor. Guess what? On the fifth visit, kids are going. We've had other babies come in, maybe just not responsive, not, you know, just something was off with the baby or maybe a croop call thing or a tortoise call is so many different reasons why we see young babies 

Rich Bennett 1:01:03
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:01:04
and young kids and they come and guess what? Naturally we got their body to function better. Right. So 

Rich Bennett 1:01:10
Wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:01:10
it's the safest thing that you can do, hands down in health care. It is it is it is at the top of the safest thing that you can do. Anything in health. Everything else, compare the insurance rates, compare the malpractice rates, and you'll see which one is safer. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:26
So those of you listening, that means when you finish this listening to this episode, actually you should already have the paper and pen out. The top of the thing right right down your health care dream 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:01:39
team. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:41
One chiropractor. Hey, you don't have one. Don't worry. That was not Dr. Rossian crack at somebody. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:01:49
That was me dropping my book. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:53
And the book. It's also an audio form, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:01:56
well. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:56
which I 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:01:56
Yes, 

Rich Bennett 1:01:56
love 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:01:56
it is. I forgot to mention that. It's actually so, there's a title. That's me. I 

Rich Bennett 1:02:01
there to 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:02:01
don't 

Rich Bennett 1:02:01
live 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:02:01
do my same signature smile, right? So, dead a live well, uh, the ultimate guy to building is available on audio as well. I- I don't know why I forget this. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:12
Did you do the audio? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:02:13
you- No actually it was so 

Rich Bennett 1:02:15
Uh, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:02:15
bad because I have such a unique voice. People always like, "Did you do the audio? 

Rich Bennett 1:02:19
I wish 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:02:20
Actually somebody that sounds very similar to me." 

Rich Bennett 1:02:23
Okay. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:02:24
So, but yeah, but I just, I was just so busy. I could- I would still be doing the audio right now. You know, uh, I had to get it done, but we picked a great narrator and it's a great audio book. It is a great audio book. So, it is unordable on Barnes and novels and Amazon as well. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:42
Those of you listening, once you get the book after you read it, make sure you leave a full review. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:02:48
Awesome. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:48
And then purchase copies for other people because like I said, I believe every family should definitely have this. I- I'm going to rephrase that. Every single household and apartment should have this. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:03:01
There you go. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:01
Because like, my son doesn't live with me now, but I believe- you know, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:03:05
He could- 

Rich Bennett 1:03:06
he should have this. Yeah. So are you working on the next book yet? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:03:10
You know what? Right now? No. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:14
Okay. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:03:15
I never even thought I would be a writer. Um, it wasn't- I know you've mentioned that mission trip in '80. It wasn't until I used to not like reading at all. And I- You know, because I didn't reading, I didn't think I was a writer. But I did that mission trip. I did it with my church. It was after the earthquake in '80 and about 2010. My wife gave me a mead notebook and said, Hey, just journal and I was like, I was like, journal. It's like, I'm worth of all. I don't journal, too. Haha. Get at it. Yeah. I'm going to be busy, you know, building 

Rich Bennett 1:03:48
there. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:03:48
At home, you know, but it was such an amazing, you know, spiritual journey. It was such an amazing just to see how the people live there. They have nothing, but yet they talk to you like they have everything. You know, 

Rich Bennett 1:04:01
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:04:02
we have so much to learn here about when we go down there and we see how people are truly happy with what 

Rich Bennett 1:04:11
have, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:04:11
they 

Rich Bennett 1:04:11
what they have. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:04:12
Right. And they're still offering you something. They're still you coming to the house and hey, what can I make you? What can I give you? And you know that all they have is just so little. Like, mindset there is just so different. And it's such a strong time. I was so happy and so proud to go down there, but I wrote, I filled up that book from cover to cover and I haven't even 

Rich Bennett 1:04:33
Wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:04:33
published that. I always thought about just publishing that and putting that is like a memoir of, you know, or something like that. So that maybe might be a tool we continued because it was such an amazing, it was such it might more of like a Christian book as well too, but there was just so much 

Rich Bennett 1:04:49
happened. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:04:50
that 

Rich Bennett 1:04:50
Right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:04:51
But I would, you know, I'm starting to get ideas for a second book right now. We're busy just working with we have within the past year, we've been helping more and more people with a new with a new service center to help other people that we weren't able to help before, so we will help people within the rapathes. The rapathes are basically when your nerves are degenerating from the outside end. So it's hard to get pain, numbness, tingling, burning in the hands or in the feet or in both. It's predominantly diabetic patients, but we're starting to see and that's what I just had a conversation with the biodechrist on with my like wellness webinar that I've been doing. You know, we're starting to see that some people are actually, when you start to screen for early neuropathy, you're actually starting to see that people haven't, like, balanced issues and temperature differences that are happening early before the diabetes diagnosis and before they could diagnose with neuropathies and anybody with neuropathy can tell you it's something that you don't want. The end result of it getting really bad, it's not surgery, it's it's amputation. So we've really been trying to, we've developed a renewed neuropathy program the same way that we had success with our musculoskeletal condition. Condition, we developed a three step process of really thorough examination of figure out what's what's the amount of sensory loss because it's something that we, whatever treatment that they're going to do, it's going to be over a long term, it's not going to be like, hey, I'm in, I've got neck pain. And within two to three weeks, should see the start to turn around with neuropathy. It's more of a slow, it's more of a slow renewal process because our bodies, they have the ability to renew themselves. And the nerves, they can't rebuild themselves, but they do so at one millimeter per day. So what can we do based on the assessment based on the evaluation? What can we do to really help people, one, find out how bad it is, two, can we tailor some things for them to do at home, nutrition, and then also things that they can do in the office to help stimulating the nerves, something called neuroplasticity. That's basically use it or lose it. If you're stimulating a nerve, if you took out a nerve and you put it in a petri dish, the more you stimulate that nerve, the more that nerve is going to the spot. But if you don't stimulate that nerve, and now you start to see a die off and die off. So that's what we're trying to do to really rebuild, I'm sorry, to really rebuild the nerve pathways so that people can, at least start to see proven and even reversals. In some of the neuropathy that we've been finding, we've been getting some great results as well. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:45
Wow. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:07:45
I've been putting more of my time and energy in that and just making sure that we are taking care of patients. But I think my next book, it might be more of a, it might be more conditioned focus, it might be on neuropathy. It might be on just maybe the healthcare industry in general. But, you know, sky's the limit rich. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:04
limit. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:05
Sky's 

Rich Bennett 1:08:05
Oh, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:05
the 

Rich Bennett 1:08:06
yeah, what 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:06
all 

Rich Bennett 1:08:06
you becoming 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:06
you 

Rich Bennett 1:08:07
know, or I mean, 

yeah, it just means you have to come on again to push that one. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:08:14
And 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:14
exactly. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:14
actually I have some ideas for something else, which. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:17
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 1:08:17
We're done here. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:19
awesome, 

Rich Bennett 1:08:19
But 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:19
awesome. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:19
something important. Tell everybody the websites for the 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:22
website 

Rich Bennett 1:08:24
and they're delivered. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:25
Yes, they're live well. So the, they're live well. Website is there to live well. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:33
The number 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:34
two. The number two. There to live well dot com. That's the number two. There you can order it. If you wanted to order some merch, we got some merch. Rich, I'll try to send you some merch. I mean, you can do a podcast and maybe like a hat or a tea 

Rich Bennett 1:08:47
Hey, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:48
shirt. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:48
I'm always happy to wear stuff. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:50
Hey, there you go. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:51
Stuff on 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:52
my. I love it. I love it. So that's for the book. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:54
I dare you. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:08:56
You know what? Now I gotta do it. Now I got it. Hey, you see how effective that is. 

I used my own, my own medicine against me. So if anybody's interested in learning more about what we do at MSI or if it's a complex case, you're not getting help. You've been here. You've been there. Part of that renewed process is all the way that the end the P stands for don't give up. So that's one thing I want to manage a lot of the because there's so many people that have lost hope in health care because they haven't found either the right person or they haven't found the right treatment or both. And it's a very frustrated man. If you could imagine the people who already pay an arm and elect the health care. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:42
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:09:43
They're getting the bare minimum and they're getting the run around. They're being chopped up as if it's like a factory and they got to go to a shoulder doctor here. They got to go to a foot doctor here. Now they're going to physical therapy over here. So we look at the whole body and we really try to comprehensively get them better as best as we can. So anybody with who wants more information, our website is www. msniwc.com. That is Mary Sam Isaac WC.com. It used to be, we used to be the Maryland spine institute and you still might see that or some of your older listeners still remember we were the Maryland spine institute right there outside of the Golds gym where it used to be. Now we just moved right up the street to the Wintersrun professional plaza where right outside of Muteo Gusto right across the street from Wintersrun apartments or right up the road from Jones junction where one light up from Jones junction since everybody knows where that is. And we take great care of people and you know we just we just need them to dare them to take the first step. So the phone number is 410 877 8077. We've got two great locations. One is right there in our free county. The other one is right off of that Bel Air road exit on 695 right the Bel Air beltway plaza 

Rich Bennett 1:11:07
Yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:11:08
movie theater used to be there but overly physicians is there. The carabases there and it's a plaza right off of the exit when you're on Bel Air road. So just south of Perri Hall right and overly nodding Ham going into Fullerton area. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:21
Okay 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:11:22
so yeah we've got two great locations. We'd love to help anybody you know if they don't get a smiling face or a warm phone call you tell them to call me Right. What guys we love seeing new people and we love helping people that's our pride and joy and we try to build a team 

Rich Bennett 1:11:42
right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:11:42
of people that share that same value as well then so yeah listen we're looking forward to anybody that we can help and that you send our way. Thank you so much for this time and I really do appreciate it. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:52
Oh I got one more 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:11:53
question for 

Rich Bennett 1:11:54
but yeah but you're going to have to pick the question. So so first of all pick a number between one and five. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:01
Oh man what is this guy? Oh four is always been my lucky number 

Rich Bennett 1:12:06
four. I 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:07
have been the fourth child's four is always I've never been wrong with four. So give me question number four. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:13
Oh it's not question number four it's block number four now you've got to pick a question between number 61 and 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:25
80. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:26
61 and 80. Uh huh. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:28
Uh uh let's do question number 80 since 80 has two fours. 

Go ahead. Give me 

Rich Bennett 1:12:36
question number 80. Oh damn okay. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:38
What? 

Rich Bennett 1:12:38
No this is a good 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:40
question 

Rich Bennett 1:12:41
okay. If I'm I'm going to going back to your college days. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:44
This guy. Oh 

Rich Bennett 1:12:45
if you 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:46
no 

okay let's get question number 80 okay. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:51
No it's just good no 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:52
I I have been redeemed before I answered this question. I have been redeemed okay. Go 

Rich Bennett 1:12:57
question. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:12:57
ahead give me 

Rich Bennett 1:12:58
I think you're like this. If you could design a perfect educational system what would be its core principles? 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:13:11
If I could design perfect educational system what would be its core principles? Shish the core principles educational system the core principles would be I would say, I would probably have it be the core principles and the core values of MSI. One of them is built on integrity. We want to, I don't care what you learn or I don't care who you've learned it from. We want to treat people with respect and we don't want to create something where we're just taking advantage of people, right? And I think a lot of people feel like that's where they are in healthcare. So we build it with integrity to make sure that they have no matter what the student learns, it's with integrity. Number two is we've got, I would say productivity. Productivity is basically making the best of your time. So no matter what you've learned, how can you create a time block where you are the most efficient, right? I would want to make sure that we put faith in there as well because you've got to have a North Star somewhere in there and I'm a man of faith. I don't know, for your listeners, I'm actually a local pastor in my church as well. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:39
oh 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:14:40
So, and I've been, I would probably say ever since college, I was a campus of minister and I taught men's Bible study. I taught, saying praise and worship, which is where my voice got a little raspy and stuff too. So I mean, I did it all, but I would want them to have some foundational faith principles. And plus, I'm an old Catholic school boy from grade one through way, you know? 

Rich Bennett 1:15:05
like. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:15:05
Then I feel 

Rich Bennett 1:15:05
Oh 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:15:06
It 

Rich Bennett 1:15:06
yeah. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:15:06
really helped to kind of shape me. So I would have some faith in there. And then man, let's see. And then I would want it to be comprehensive. So many times, I think, and this is where I feel like why people are dealing with the problems that they are dealing with is because when they go right now, health care has been chopped up to basically your body has been chopped up in 12, these different parts and there's been this like over specialization of health care, which means, you know, the general practitioner is almost like a thing of the past. Everybody you go into is a specialist. So I would want to make sure that there is a respect for all of the many different disciplines to make sure that people know if they're learning, and I'm thinking more of like an educational system in health care. So it would be more of an integrative approach, which means we're going to learn about the best aspects of everything 

Rich Bennett 1:16:04
Yes. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:16:04
so that whoever comes, and you can still specialize in it, but at least you'll understand and you'll know about all of the best aspects of all of the different things that can help people so that if so that you can have so many tools under your tool belt, and medicine does not have to be the first answer to everything that somebody comes in with, right, because that person may not want to take a pill. And what else can you offer them for many other doctors that's all that they've learned? And it's not that they're wrong. It's just that it's all that they've learned. So if they had so many other things in their tool belts, now they were disabled. You know, there's chiropractic, there's massages, acupuncture, there's so many other things that you can do. There's nutrition and all of that stuff to deal with said problem. Let's try other approaches. So it would be more of a comprehensive approach. And then lastly, you know what? It's one of the core principles in our office too. It's have fun. One guy you know learning should not be boring, let's how can we incorporate it with something that you enjoy, right? If people come to any one of our offices, there's music playing, there's it's a beat atmosphere. You know, we're getting better, but we're laughing and smiling while we're doing, 

Rich Bennett 1:17:23
right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:17:24
And people say, oh, well, I can't stand doctors offices. I say, well, you know what? Me neither. I said, me neither, that's why we're gonna play music. Now that's why we're gonna have fun when we're coming here. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:34
I love 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:17:35
We're gonna 

Rich Bennett 1:17:35
that, 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:17:35
get the results. And lastly, I would want to make sure that it's results driven as well. Because no matter what we do, we want to make sure that we are providing results. It's 

Rich Bennett 1:17:46
right. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:17:46
one thing to laugh and have fun, and to be integral and all of that. But if you came in with sciatica, and 30, you know. If you go in for surgery and uhm, as long as you survive on that surgical table, you know what? Uh, they're the payments made. You still have the pain. Eh. I did the surgery. 

Go see pain management and that's it, right? Whereas with the newer system that I would want, I would want it to be more results in driven meaning that you're getting what you paid for, right? You're getting what you paid for, at least we came as close as we could and we tried everything within the real house that we could to get you better. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:50
Seeing here, you were worried about the question I was going to 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:18:53
Awesome! 

Rich Bennett 1:18:53
ask 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:18:54
Actually, very well you said 

Rich Bennett 1:18:55
you. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:18:56
college, you know? two types of Dr. Rosh that was in college. I went to West Virginia University for a pizza, 

Rich Bennett 1:19:04
There's 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:19:05
okay? There's nothing to do when there was mountains out there, alright? So what I found God? There's only a small segment of the population that remembers, oh yeah, I was in Dr. Rosh, that was just a rush. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:20
I was a great answer, though. I loved it. Dr. Rosh, I want to thank you so much, man. The door is open any time you want to come back on. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:19:29
Oh man, 

Rich Bennett 1:19:29
it. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:19:29
appreciate 

Rich Bennett 1:19:30
Those of you listening again, purchase the book Dare to Live Well or listen to it on audio form. Make sure you leave a forward to buy copies for other people and get that team, that dream team together. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:19:48
It's 

Rich Bennett 1:19:48
a matter of fact, for all you listeners out there, here's what I'm going to do. I did this one other time, I'm going to do this. Those of you listening, the first, let's say the first five people that reach out to me and tell me something about this episode that you loved, I'm going to send you a copy of the books. So the first five people, I will buy books for you and send them to you. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:20:14
So wow, that's awesome. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:15
It, whether it be leaving me a voicemail, email, whatever. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:20:19
That's it. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:20
Dr. Rosh, thank you so much. Oh, go ahead. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:20:22
then what since you're doing that, I would say those first five people that reach out to you or that reach out to our office. If you are calling and as a result of this podcast, I want you to mention that to the whoever picks up the phone, say, hey, I heard Dr. Harold on the rich Bennett podcast and what I'm going to do is I'm going to do something, but I can't figure it out. I don't want to get in trouble with my dad, but I'm going to do something very special for you that it as a thank you for one listening to me and rich. Well, you could have done anything else and then to just so that we know that you came from this podcast, so I will do something for you. What matter fact, I'm going to have a merch bag that's something I guarantee 

Rich Bennett 1:21:12
There you go. And 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:21:13
we're going to get you're going to get some merch. All right. And you're going to get a free merch bag. Most patients will get that maybe on their reexam or whatever you're going to get that right on your day one because you heard this podcast, so boom. 

Rich Bennett 1:21:26
So there you go. Those of you listening, we both dare you to do what we just said. 

Dr. Rochelin Herold 1:21:36
It's contagious. That's what I tell you. 

Rich Bennett 1:21:39
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