Lee Adams on Writing, Country Music & Love on Tour

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In this episode of Conversations with Rich Bennett, Rich and co-host Tammie Wingrove sit down with country music industry veteran Lee Adams to discuss her debut novel, Love on Tour. Lee shares her journey from a Willie Nelson-obsessed teen to a high-ranking record executive who’s helped over 50 songs top the charts. They explore the behind-the-scenes realities of the music business, how her life inspired the novel, and the emotional power of female friendships, personal growth, and resilience. Whether you're a book lover, country music fan, or dream chaser, this heartfelt episode delivers insight, laughs, and inspiration. 

Guest: Lee Adams 

Lee Adams was born and raised near Baltimore, MD. A lifelong country music lover, she has worked in the industry since the 1980s—first in radio, then climbing the ranks at major labels including Decca/MCA and Broken Bow Records, where she now serves as VP of Promotion. Lee has worked on more than 50 #1 songs and is a member of the Academy of Country Music and the Country Music Association. Now an author, her debut novel Love on Tour draws from her deep well of personal and professional experience. 

Main Topics: 

·         Lee’s early love for country music and her journey into radio

·         How her passion for Willie Nelson led to a lifelong career in music

·         Real-life roles in the music industry, from tour managers to songpluggers

·         The inspiration and writing process behind Love on Tour

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Chapters

• 0:00 10 Years of Conversations with Rich Bennett
• 1:31 Introducing Lee Adams: Country Music to Novelist
• 2:31 Falling in Love with Country Music at 13
• 6:31 Legendary Concerts & Touring Icons
• 11:31 Why She Wrote Love on Tour
• 13:31 The Meaning Behind the Title
• 16:31 Behind the Scenes: Tour Life & Unsung Heroes
• 22:31 The Physical Demands of Life on the Road
• 28:31 Love Triangle & Realism in Romance
• 34:31 Writing from Personal Experience
• 40:31 Editing, Publishing, and Author Support
• 47:31 Book Cover Battles & Personal Style
• 52:31 Casting Characters: Alexander Ludwig as Austin
• 58:31 Promoting the Book & Author Networking
• 1:02:31 Alexander Ludwig’s Music Career
• 1:06:31 Why Love on Tour Empowers Women
• 1:12:31 What’s Next for Lee Adams

Transcript

Rich & Wendy 0:00
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Rich Bennett 1:00
From local roots to Nashville's biggest stages. Today, my co-host, Tammy Wingrove and I are joined by the incredible Lee Adams, a powerhouse in the country music industry with a career that spans decades. She's worked more than 50 number one songs, climbed the ranks from radio to record labels, and now brings her storytelling magic to the page with her debut novel Love On Torre. We're going to talk about music, writing, reinventing, and what it means to chase your dreams at every stage of life. Trust me, this is one conversation you don't want to miss. All right, so growing up in Jopetown. You went to Jopetown High School a couple years behind me, even though you look like you're probably about 20 years behind me. 

But when you were going to high school, what was it that you always wanted to do? What was your career that you had in mind? Was it radio? 

Lee Adams 2:04
It was as of the time that I was 13 because I discovered country music. I never forget I over to Frans House and I heard a song by the Oak Ridge Boys and I'm like, what are you listening to? And they said 93.1 WPOC and I went home and I changed my radio station to WPOC and it never changed and I discovered Willie Nelson. 

Rich Bennett 2:30
I 

Lee Adams 2:30
need to meet Willie Nelson. How can I meet Willie Nelson? Though, with the radio people meet everybody. So clearly, I need to get in the radio. So at that point, I decided I was going to be a dish-jockey. 

Rich Bennett 2:43
All right, so wait a minute now because I've been here only two years behind me and it... There were a lot of rockers at Jopetown High School. 

Lee Adams 2:51
Yes, there were. 

Rich Bennett 2:53
How hard was it when all your friends that out that you're listening to country? 

Lee Adams 2:58
I was not cool. 

Let's just start with that. I was, I was a band nerd and I was not cool, although it was really funny because every time anything country was going to be on TV or especially if Willie Nelson was, everybody would call me. 

Rich Bennett 3:17
Right. 

Lee Adams 3:17
Even cool kids who didn't like me would call me. So, I was this enigma. I never forget in my senior year. I was in the National Honor Society and I showed up to our first meeting and I was wearing a bandana. 

Nehae. Markisons. 

Rich Bennett 3:39
Oh my god. 

Lee Adams 3:41
My Willie Nelson jeans and probably a Willie Nelson t-shirt and when I showed up for the meeting, 

the advisor looked at me and she said, "Oh honey, I'm sorry. Detention is the next door over." 

Talk about stereotyping, huh? And I said, "Well, I'm here for the National Honor Society meeting." 

Rich Bennett 4:05
Do you... all right. I got anxious because I love Willie Nelson even though I'm the 

Lee Adams 4:09
I 

Rich Bennett 4:09
metal. 

Lee Adams 4:09
just saw him. I do too. 

Rich Bennett 4:10
Do you think he is one of the most underrated guitar players? 

Lee Adams 4:15
You know, he has almost a flamenco style. 

Rich Bennett 4:17
Yes. 

Lee Adams 4:18
And I just saw him. He's what, 92 or something, 94. I just saw him a couple of weeks ago and he still can play that same flamenco style. So, I really do because he's not a league guitar. He's not going to shred a guitar, but his style is so unique and it's not talked about very often. 

Rich Bennett 4:38
No. Same with Dolly. 

Lee Adams 4:40
Absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 4:41
Dolly's another excellent guitar player. And I think when it comes to country... All right, I'm going back. Old country. I don't want to talk about new old country. I think one of the... All right, we'll see 90s on back. One of the best guitar players out there. And what you're opinion is Vince Gill. 

Lee Adams 5:02
Vince Kill is incredible and he's probably one of the all-time best singers. Steve Warren or back 

Rich Bennett 5:08
then. Oh, god. 

Lee Adams 5:08
god. Was an amazing player. And so is the guy Lee Roy Parnell. Oh, 

Rich Bennett 5:13
Yeah. Oh my 

Lee Adams 5:13
he was phenomenal and he, uh, he could just really get up there and, and just well on the guitar and all of these guys were amazing. And then you got Geisly Proud, Paisley and Keith Urban. 

A lot of these guys usually your lead singers are not your lead guitars, but these guys can just really play guitar. 

Rich Bennett 5:39
You're, Jamie, you're looking at us like, who are you guys talking about? 

Tammie Wingrove 5:43
No, I know exactly who you're talking about. I grew up on classic country music, so the names that you're saying are who my grandfather and my dad brought me up on. Willie Nelson is one of my top artists that I've seen. I had, I flew home from Italy the next day. I was at the Willie Nelson concert, totally jet lagged but absolutely worth it. 

Rich Bennett 6:05
Really? 

Tammie Wingrove 6:05
And so glad to have checked that off. I've seen Vince Kill when he was with, uh, touring with the Eagles and, 

Lee Adams 6:10
Mmm. 

Tammie Wingrove 6:10
yeah, oh, oh, absolutely. But also I've seen Brad Paisley, but yeah, I, I am an old soul Tom Petty. So glad that I saw him. I know we're not country, 

Lee Adams 6:18
I am 

Tammie Wingrove 6:19
but 

Lee Adams 6:19
so jealous about it. Because of Tom Petty, my husband and I are now on this see them when you can 

Rich Bennett 6:26
yes. 

Lee Adams 6:26
Tor and we've been to see everybody from Berry Manelow to Elton John to Billy Joe to share to we just went and saw Bruce Springsteen the Dooby brothers. We, uh, Fleetwood Mac, Rolling Stones. We've been on that tour. 

Rich Bennett 6:44
The stanza world gets me. 

Lee Adams 6:45
We just saw a Rod Stewart last week. 

Rich Bennett 6:48
He still kicks ass. Sorry for my language, but he does. 

Lee Adams 6:51
Absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 6:51
Absolutely. And he does. What I love about Rod Stewart is he 

Tammie Wingrove 6:56
old 

Rich Bennett 6:56
does his 

Tammie Wingrove 6:57
music, 

Rich Bennett 6:57
but then he'll come out and do the big band stuff through Great America's own book and change, change. It's one of my 

Lee Adams 7:04
And 

Rich Bennett 7:04
sister's 

Lee Adams 7:04
the women who 

Rich Bennett 7:05
favorite, 

Lee Adams 7:05
play with him 

Rich Bennett 7:07
okay. 

Lee Adams 7:07
and backup saying they are amazing musicians, phenomenal singers. It was a really great show. So I am very jealous. You got to see Tom Petty. 

Tammie Wingrove 7:17
Right before he passed away, I actually 

Lee Adams 7:20
Wow. 

Tammie Wingrove 7:20
had tickets and had thought that I them for Baltimore and realized that it was Camden, New Jersey. So I 

Rich Bennett 7:29
That's not that far. 

Tammie Wingrove 7:29
messaged my friend and said, I have completely screwed this up. Do you want to take a three hour drive or however long? So we went and saw him in June and he passed away I think in September. So, so, 

Lee Adams 7:41
Wow. 

Tammie Wingrove 7:41
so glad. 

Lee Adams 7:42
Amazing. 

Tammie Wingrove 7:42
But I'm thankful that my parents brought me up on the classics because I've been on this quest to see so many of them. I'm still salty that my parents went before I had really realized how cool the stones were and they went and saw him I was still in high school and I still say, why didn't I get to go? You shouldn't have taken me so I could appreciate this but oh yeah, all of the classics 

Lee Adams 8:05
had. 

Tammie Wingrove 8:05
I've 

Lee Adams 8:05
And Mick is still amazing. One of my artist Laney Wilson opened for him in Chicago. 

Rich Bennett 8:11
Off camera. Yeah, it really. 

Lee Adams 8:12
Last summer, so Randy and I flew up for it and an amazing experience. First of all for her to watch her get out there and do it with Mick Jagger was just 

Rich Bennett 8:22
amazing. Oh, she did it the way 

Lee Adams 8:24
She 

Rich Bennett 8:24
with you. 

Lee Adams 8:24
went out and sang with him. Absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 8:26
So, wow. 

Lee Adams 8:27
It was amazing. And just to see her open a show like that, I'm then to get to see the stones afterwards. 

Rich Bennett 8:34
See, now if I was her and Mick and I was able to, that's how I'd be with Mick Jagger. I mean, he is like when it comes to the rock and roll and he's like one of the gods. 

Lee Adams 8:46
Oh, he is. is. 

Rich Bennett 8:48
He 

Lee Adams 8:49
And I'm sure she was like that. She you know, being a professional performer, she absolutely performed. But when 

Rich Bennett 8:55
you were there to her 

Lee Adams 8:56
about it, she'd be like just overwhelmed that that got to happen. 

Rich Bennett 9:00
What was your first concert? 

Lee Adams 9:02
My first concert that I really remember. Well, this is odd because my dad used to work at the Hunt Valley Inn, which I believe is now a Marriott property out in the Hunt Valley, McCormick Sprice Company. I needed it at the time. And my dad worked from McCormick Sprice Company and they had a guy coming out to sing and they didn't a lot of people coming. So they called various people at the office and said, bring your families, bring everybody. And it was Hank Williams Jr. 

For his accident, when he was still doing his dad, he's music. So we actually went to see him back then. That is the first concert I remember going to, but it was in a very, very small venue. The first actual big concert I remember seeing was Willie Nelson at Maryweather Post. I was 15. That's the one where Jimmy Carter came out and sang George all my mind with him. 

Rich Bennett 9:55
The President? 

Lee Adams 9:57
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 9:57
Get out of here. 

Lee Adams 9:58
Yep. 

Rich Bennett 9:59
Really? 

Lee Adams 10:00
Yep. 

Rich Bennett 10:01
I didn't know he could sing. 

Lee Adams 10:02
They were friends. 

Rich Bennett 10:03
Wow. 

Lee Adams 10:04
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:06
Holy cow. You saw Bo C-Fish. 

Lee Adams 10:09
I did before he was Bo 

Tammie Wingrove 10:11
C-Fish, 

Lee Adams 10:12
just. 

Rich Bennett 10:13
So. 

Lee Adams 10:13
Hank 

Tammie Wingrove 10:14
Hank. 

Lee Adams 10:14
Senior Sun. 

Rich Bennett 10:15
We were I have to tell you a story about him. So we were DJ and a fundraiser and Bob Blum at the time was at W General Manager if WXCY. Okay. 

Lee Adams 10:26
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:27
Bob taught me a lot. Especially when he comes to sales. Anyway, he brought in a CD 

Tammie Wingrove 10:32
us. 

Rich Bennett 10:32
for It was Hank Williams III. 

Lee Adams 10:35
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 10:36
Yes. But dummy me as I put it on. So here's something from Hank's went. 

Hit me with what I just said. I've like, that doesn't make any damn. Actually, I don't even know if he's doing anything anymore. 

Lee Adams 10:53
I couldn't tell you either. 

Rich Bennett 10:55
Anyways, South. I said, You're you've been in music for a long time. What made you decide to write this book? 

Lee Adams 11:07
They always say, write what you know. And I always swore that I was never going to write about about the industry for fear that somebody would think that I was writing about somebody without writing about them using their name, and I didn't want that to happen for any of my artists. But I really wanted to write about the behind the scenes people. There's so many people that never get the adoration on stage. They never get the applause, they never get the awards, they never get all of all of the big moments. 

Rich Bennett 11:42
right 

Lee Adams 11:42
But they work so hard and they do so much, and they have so much passion. And for me, those are the people that I just am in the trenches with every single day. 

Rich Bennett 11:54
They should be in the Hall of Fame. 

Lee Adams 11:56
Oh, they really should. They really should. So, I purposely made the male artist in the book, unlike any artist I've ever worked with. So that nobody could say, Oh, that reminds me of. So, he's not like anybody that I ever worked with. 

So, once I decided that I could do that, it became easier to write the other characters. 

Rich Bennett 12:19
The Hall of Fame did actually take you to write this. 

Lee Adams 12:23
Well... 

From actual writing to now, it's been nine years since I wrote the first draft. Yes, it probably took me about a year to write the first draft, and the same Asheville is a ten year town for artists. Apparently it is for authors too. So, I wrote the first draft nine years ago, and I have edited and changed it more times than I can tell you over the years to make it more relevant. 

Rich Bennett 12:53
Right. Okay, so nine years, it tells me chime in anytime you want. Actually, tell him what you even tell him about what the name of the book is. 

Lee Adams 13:03
Love on tour. Had 

Rich Bennett 13:07
you come up with that 

Lee Adams 13:09
That wasn't the original 

Rich Bennett 13:11
title? 

Lee Adams 13:11
title, and that wasn't the title that I gave it, but I never really liked the title and either did my agent. So when it got with the publisher, they were like, "We've got to change this title." So, I said, "Okay, and we came up with so many exceptions of the title, and they finally came up with this." And I'm like, "Well, she falls in love on tour, so that makes sense." And it's a romance. 

Rich Bennett 13:33
Right. 

Lee Adams 13:33
So, I thought, "Okay, that makes sense." 

Rich Bennett 13:36
So, is this your first stab at writing romance? 

Lee Adams 13:39
No. 

Rich Bennett 13:40
No, you've written... 

Lee Adams 13:42
Although... 

My 

books have had romantic themes, but I always try to include something else with them. For instance, I purposely dealt with some of the issues that people go through, especially women, but men go through it too. Just the fact that anybody feels like they can say what they want to online, no matter how hurtful it is. And my main character goes through some of that, as she gets to know the singer and people 

Tammie Wingrove 14:18
sense 

Lee Adams 14:18
make a 

Tammie Wingrove 14:18
of the relationship 

Lee Adams 14:20
and determine she's not good enough, she's not pretty enough, she's not thin enough, she's not this enough, and it can be so hurtful. And people just feel like they can say anything online. 

I wanted to address that because especially when you're dealing with people in the entertainment industry, it happens, but it doesn't just happen to the singers and the actresses and the famous people that some people say, "Well, they put themselves out there for it, to an extent, nobody really deserves that." But okay, but it also happens to people surrounding them. 

Rich Bennett 14:54
The fans especially, too, yeah, 

Lee Adams 14:56
and it can just be brutal. So, it's romance, but I try to include something that makes people think a little bit. 

Rich Bennett 15:06
That's a great idea, especially with the way you know, mental illnesses today. I think that's a great idea. A lot of people could learn from this. 

Tammie Wingrove 15:16
It was so relatable. I mean, I'm halfway through and what you're talking about right now of the main character. I think anyone who reads this has experienced in some way what she experiences. And it really makes it real life. And so you can see yourself in there between all of the experiences that she talks about. Someone will, anyone will be able to relate to it. I loved that part of it because 

Lee Adams 15:47
Yeah. 

Tammie Wingrove 15:47
it reminds you that those bullies are out there for everyone between... It doesn't matter if you're a great big artist or just someone who's in the trenches. And that was a really neat part was learning the characters and seeing that backstage part of it. Who's doing what? And so I really loved learning. Okay, about... Can we talk so much about it? Can I say, 

Lee Adams 16:15
Sure. 

Tammie Wingrove 16:15
like, things? Okay, so I'm just... 

Rich Bennett 16:16
Just don't give the book away. 

Tammie Wingrove 16:17
Oh, yeah, right. But I can talk about it. So the learning about the tour manager and what he's doing and even the merch person and all of that. It was just cool, the dynamic between all the different characters, learning what their jobs were, and then really, the... The bullying and the real life, how raw we all have felt. 

Lee Adams 16:43
Thank you, thank you. And tour managers, to me, are the unsung heroes for my job. Because with my job, I go out to the concerts and my job is to kind of mediate between the artist and the radio and streaming partners. So it's not unusual for me to get on site, have planned everything, how many tickets I need, how many meet and greets I need, how many passes I need, and then for somebody to run up to me last minute and go, my general manager just showed up with three people. I need four more tickets, four more this, four more that. And the only person I have to go to to get that is the tour manager. 

Rich Bennett 17:26
Wow. 

Lee Adams 17:27
And for me to be able to go to the tour manager and say, "I am desperate, I need this," and 

Tammie Wingrove 17:33
"You 

Lee Adams 17:33
then to go, 

Tammie Wingrove 17:34
got 

Lee Adams 17:35
me covered," or things like, most of my staff are female. But even for the men, we're leaving concerts late at night, a lot of drunk people, we need to be somewhere safe. This is what we do for a living, we need to park somewhere safe. And the fact that they put us back near the busses, they put us in secure parking. There are so many things that the tour manager does to take care of us. And we are not a part of the tour, but we are out there on tour. 

Rich Bennett 18:10
And 

Lee Adams 18:10
we don't get to get on a bus at the end of the night. We have to get back in the car, drive back to a hotel, either get up the next morning and drive to the next venue, or drive to the airport, get on a flight, run another 

Tammie Wingrove 18:22
car and 

Lee Adams 18:23
to the next venue, sometimes we jump on the tour buses, but that's like, continuously asking somebody to be in their home. I mean, that's their home. So when it's just impossible to get from point A to point B, you ask for a bunk on the bus. And the ones that go, "We've 

Tammie Wingrove 18:40
get 

Lee Adams 18:40
got 

Tammie Wingrove 18:40
out 

Lee Adams 18:40
your 

Tammie Wingrove 18:40
your 

Lee Adams 18:41
cover, jump on the bus." 

These people are invaluable to 

Rich Bennett 18:46
car. Yeah. 

Lee Adams 18:46
us. They save us out on the road. And a good tour manager is just the difference in me being able to keep our partners that play the artist's music happy. And with a good experience versus an not so good experience, 

Rich Bennett 19:01
Drive 

Lee Adams 19:01
which can reflect on the artist. Even though it's not the artist's fault, so tour managers, to me, are just the unsung heroes of a record promoter. And I really wanted to give them some kudos. 

Tammie Wingrove 19:16
I think you did a very good job of that. I had never known what a Tor manager did, or even a song promoter or a songplugger, so how much work they put into it, but the Tor manager in this book, it makes me think, oh man, that would be a really neat job, but very hard work. If I could get into a time machine and go backwards and have the knowledge that you've given me in this book, maybe I could do that, but I don't think I could do it at 40 years old. That is, you probably have to have a lot more energy. And yeah, the 

Rich Bennett 19:51
And 

Tammie Wingrove 19:51
things. 

Rich Bennett 19:51
there's no body guards or nothing for you, right? 

Tammie Wingrove 19:53
I feel like the Tor manager's 

Rich Bennett 19:55
Yeah, you think? 

Tammie Wingrove 19:55
kind of the body guard in some part of 

Lee Adams 19:59
In 

Tammie Wingrove 19:59
the head. 

Lee Adams 19:59
a lot of ways they are. 

Rich Bennett 20:01
She look guy like, okay, 

Tammie Wingrove 20:03
[INAUDIBLE] 

Rich Bennett 20:03
But in the book, I'm thinking real life now. 

See how you got me sucked in already? 

Lee Adams 20:10
A lot of ways, especially in the beginning before they can really hire security like that, they really are. They are the person. And sometimes we are because before the artist is at on tour, and even sometimes when they are, there's still things that we as a record promoter do with them that don't include the Tor manager or anybody else. For instance, maybe they're playing in Baltimore tomorrow night, but WPRC wants to do something with them the night before. 

Rich Bennett 20:44
Mm-hmm. 

Lee Adams 20:45
I'm in charge of handling that. So I fly them in, and I'm that person who is doing all of it. 

Rich Bennett 20:52
Make 

Lee Adams 20:52
So 

Rich Bennett 20:52
sure they-- 

Lee Adams 20:53
I have to make sure that their flights were secure, that their transportation was secure, that they have a hotel that nobody is getting to them who shouldn't get to them. And-- 

Rich Bennett 21:02
that's a 24/7 

Lee Adams 21:04
It's 

Rich Bennett 21:04
job. 

Lee Adams 21:04
a 24/7 

Tammie Wingrove 21:05
Yeah, all the things that we don't see that go on from, hey, my favorite artist is coming to town and so cool going to be interviewed on WPRC or be at this event. But all of the many things that must happen in 

Rich Bennett 21:18
job. 

Tammie Wingrove 21:19
order 

Rich Bennett 21:19
I 

Tammie Wingrove 21:19
to 

Rich Bennett 21:19
never-- 

Tammie Wingrove 21:19
get them 

Lee Adams 21:20
--to 

Tammie Wingrove 21:20
there-- 

Lee Adams 21:20
make it happen. 

Rich Bennett 21:21
I never-- 

Lee Adams 21:21
And that's not even the basis of my job. My job is to call radio and get them to play our songs. 

Rich Bennett 21:26
Right. 

Lee Adams 21:27
So that is like the 10% of my job, not even the 90%. 

Rich Bennett 21:31
Wow. 

Lee Adams 21:33
But it's a hard part of the job because, you know, like you're saying, you know, at 40 years old, I'm 60, and still doing a job I started at 30, and still carrying luggage to airports, backpacks to airports, I'm carrying computers, I'm carrying. And I've got to get this in overhead compartment. So it's very, very hard on the body. In fact, one of my record promoters just literally tore her ACL trying to get her luggage on a plane. 

Rich Bennett 22:01
Now, we need to get you in on 

Tammie Wingrove 22:03
time. 

Lee Adams 22:04
I know, right? 

Rich Bennett 22:04
[LAUGHTER] 

Tammie Wingrove 22:06
I volunteer. 

Lee Adams 22:07
[LAUGHTER] 

Rich Bennett 22:09
How did you come up with 

Tammie Wingrove 22:10
The 

Rich Bennett 22:10
the characters? 

Tammie Wingrove 22:10
characters 

Rich Bennett 22:11
in this. 

Tammie Wingrove 22:14
I think 

Lee Adams 22:15
everybody is a conglomerate of a lot of the people that I've worked with. I've known some amazing songplugs. And basically, without job entails-- I 

Rich Bennett 22:28
heard that. 

Lee Adams 22:29
No. 

Rich Bennett 22:30
Are you going to work for 

Lee Adams 22:30
I'll 

Rich Bennett 22:30
her? 

Lee Adams 22:31
have him. So Nashville is really known for its songwriting community 

from way back when. If you look at Petsy Klein's crazy, Willie Nelson wrote 

Rich Bennett 22:40
the song. Yeah. 

Lee Adams 22:41
If you look at the song that got me into country music, leave an illusion on the broad daylight by the Oak Ridge Boys writing, "Crowworth Song." So you've got this amazing songwriting community. So even though a lot of the artists right there are in songs, because the songwriting community is so strong, they also look for outside songs. And they support the songwriting community. So it's an entirely 

than maybe pop or rock where a lot of them write all their own 

Rich Bennett 23:15
different 

Lee Adams 23:15
songs, or co-write all their own songs. A lot of your biggest country artists 

Tammie Wingrove 23:19
methodology 

Lee Adams 23:19
go to outside writers. And those writers don't really want to be singers. They just want to write because they are incredible writers and storytellers. So we have publishing companies that sign writers, but you have to have somebody to take those songs and pitch them to producers, to artists, to A&R departments at record labels. And they're the songpluggers or song promoters. They're the person that takes in songs from the publishing company songwriters and says, I think this would be really good for your artist. Can I play this song for you? And it's a career. It's an amazing career. I wish I had known that it existed back when I was starting I 

Rich Bennett 24:03
Big 

Lee Adams 24:03
did. 

Rich Bennett 24:04
big difference from the the beginning days of rock roll to fifties where you would pay the DJ to play the songs Jamie looking at me like, what you didn't know you didn't 

Lee Adams 24:15
know that That's now a legal yeah 

Rich Bennett 24:17
Yeah, well, we know that now. Yes, I 

Had to I 

Tammie Wingrove 24:23
didn't know that they paid to 

Lee Adams 24:25
What people would sell their songs? I think was it really Nelson's? I don't know family Bible or something like that I don't know he saw one of the songs for like fifty bucks or something really ridiculously low and 

Back then they would sell their songs 

Now and I don't know the ins and outs of how all the monetary parts of it work, but now 

There's a percentage of the income that goes to the songwriter depending on how much it's it's played on the radio in clubs on elevators, whatever it happens to be so 

Yeah, it's an entire job in community and again unsung heroes because They're helping songwriters get their 

Rich Bennett 25:14
out 

Lee Adams 25:14
songs 

Rich Bennett 25:14
Mm-hmm 

Lee Adams 25:15
and maybe it's a brand new songwriter But an artist trust the songplugger. It's like I know you've never heard of this songwriter But I've got a song for you. Okay, bring it to me. So they're helping new writers get heard 

Tammie Wingrove 25:31
Then 

Rich Bennett 25:32
news will have to 

Tammie Wingrove 25:33
pay that 

Rich Bennett 25:33
Keep saying what is a music tax right? Yeah 

Lee Adams 25:36
The I guess kind of they pay to ask happen BMI and all 

Rich Bennett 25:42
so this way the art because this has been a Going off the book here a little bit, but this has been a big pipi of mine when you have DJs that do the clubs weddings and all that that'll charge 

For their services and then stream the music Say no, no, no, no, no, no, you I don't pay for it. Say no 

if you're You better be paying for it if you're pay if you're a charge and pay for sorry, that was my 

Lee Adams 26:12
That's 

Rich Bennett 26:12
my that was my rent. That's just 

Lee Adams 26:14
okay 

Rich Bennett 26:15
Erks me I wish that they asked at BMI and I forget the other 

Tammie Wingrove 26:20
that 

Rich Bennett 26:20
one would just start doing 

Tammie Wingrove 26:21
then 

Rich Bennett 26:23
Pay 

Lee Adams 26:23
like the other one is C sack isn't 

Rich Bennett 26:25
that yes, yeah, 

Lee Adams 26:26
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 26:27
yeah Yeah, it just so 

Tammie Wingrove 26:29
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 26:29
with the book what was your favorite part of the book you gotta have a you know what way But they let's do it this. What's been your favorite part so far Tammy? I 

Tammie Wingrove 26:41
I've 

been so wrapped in in the development between 

The three characters and you're trying to figure out which way this relationship is going to go So I guess it's not not one part. I really I enjoyed her on the tour bus and that was that was there was some humor mixed in with it and so I really liked that but overall the whole arc of How is this going to play out between three 

characters and which way is it going to go because I feel myself kind of falling in love a little bit with both of them and They're 

Rich Bennett 27:23
your husband fond 

Tammie Wingrove 27:24
I know 

Rich Bennett 27:24
of 

Tammie Wingrove 27:24
don't tell CJ 

It's okay. They live in the book But they're they're so 

So different, but they're so charming in different ways and like that 

brotherly way, but the protector way and and so this arc. I'm excited to finish seeing the arc where it goes and I am sure I'm going to be very sad when I get to the end because I want to keep living in This book so we got to figure out how we can get this on TV or on a 

Rich Bennett 27:56
movie Well, Jay, I mean, just see you're talking about it. I feel like we're it it's like it's actually going on It's 

Lee Adams 28:03
and if I can just say that that's the biggest compliment you can give me most writers are avid readers and I'm a bibliophile I will read anything if there's nothing else. I'll read the back of a cereal box. I love to read and 

Certain books stay with you and the characters stay with you and For somebody to say that about my characters 

That is over 

that is overwhelming because you really feel like you put yourself out there When you write something and then you you give it to people to read because I'm setting myself up for the fact that there's going to be negative reviews. There is with every book 

Rich Bennett 28:45
Yeah, 

Lee Adams 28:46
There's going to be positive reviews. There's going to be everything in the middle But for somebody to say to me that they love my characters and they're going to be sad when it ends because they'll miss my characters that is 

Rich Bennett 28:56
it's 

Lee Adams 28:57
The ultimate 

Rich Bennett 28:57
bringing your character, it's bringing your characters to life. 

Lee Adams 28:59
That is the ultimate compliment and I agree with you, I love the relationship not only with her and the two men but with her and Juliana, her best friend. 

So it's very similar to my friendship with one of my friends at work and I... 

...incorporated some of the things that have happened to us and some of the things that happened on the tour bus have happened to me, being in the top bunk and hoping not to fall out that absolutely. 

Some of those situations have definitely happened to me. 

Tammie Wingrove 29:40
I definitely felt bad for her when she got the top bunk, I thought I don't think I would want to sleep at all on a tour bus especially the top bunk, 

Lee Adams 29:50
it's a scary place to be. 

Rich Bennett 29:51
Back up a minute, okay, you said her and the two men, is this like a love triangle thing here? 

Lee Adams 30:00
Maybe. 

Rich Bennett 30:02
Alright. 

Lee Adams 30:03
That's an important trope in books. 

Rich Bennett 30:05
Okay, so Lee. 

Lee Adams 30:06
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 30:08
What is this on the chili pepper scale when it comes to romance novels? 

Lee Adams 30:12
Oh, I'm 50 shades of pale. 

I'm very much fayed to black. 

Rich Bennett 30:26
Oh God, 

Tammie Wingrove 30:26
I think that it's very

I'm 

Lee Adams 30:30
not spicy. 

Tammie Wingrove 30:31
Also, I get- I want to be able- I feel like when I'm reading, even though my children can't read my 10 year old can, but my other two are now six and three. No, they have no idea what I'm reading, but sometimes if you read something to the little too spicy, you're like, can they read that? Did they know? But so it was a- I thought a very nice mixture of- it gave you a little, ooh, this is- 

Rich Bennett 30:56
So 

Tammie Wingrove 30:56
how- 

Rich Bennett 30:56
this is something that a teen could read as well? 

Lee Adams 30:59
Oh, I'm sure a teen's are reading much worse. 

Rich Bennett 31:02
What- what, that is true? What the 

Tammie Wingrove 31:04
I 

Rich Bennett 31:04
fuck? 

Tammie Wingrove 31:04
am 

Rich Bennett 31:05
s- 

Tammie Wingrove 31:05
absolutely 

Rich Bennett 31:06
(laughs) Absolutely, 

Tammie Wingrove 31:08
this is 

Rich Bennett 31:08
such a- (laughs) 

Lee Adams 31:11
It has some colorful language, but I didn't 

Rich Bennett 31:17
More 

Lee Adams 31:17
think- 

Rich Bennett 31:18
real, I think. 

Lee Adams 31:19
It's an industry full of colorful language, and I didn't want to make it inauthentic. 

Rich Bennett 31:25
Right. 

Lee Adams 31:25
And at the same time, I- I didn't want to have so much of it that it was in your face. 

So, 

Tammie Wingrove 31:32
was a good mixture where you mix it in and then- because I- some- I don't always want to read all of every single page. I go, "Oh my Golly, you have a lot of stamina to just go on for 300 pages of just about that. 

Lee Adams 31:48
it 

Tammie Wingrove 31:48
But so life and life, 

Lee Adams 31:52
yeah."

Rich Bennett 31:52
So 

Tammie Wingrove 31:52
so with 

Rich Bennett 31:53
with the- 

Tammie Wingrove 31:53
the ball? 

Rich Bennett 31:54
And don't worry, they're not real, so they're not going to be able to yell at you. 

Lee Adams 31:58
(laughs) 

Rich Bennett 31:59
Who is your favorite 

character? And why? 

Lee Adams 32:04
Wow. 

Um, that's a tough one, but 

I think I really lean towards the artist in it. 

Because- 

a side to him that is so real and I 

Rich Bennett 32:26
There's 

Lee Adams 32:26
think a lot of people in the media are more insecure than people think, whether it's actresses, singers, dishoggies, whoever. When you put yourself out there for the public, I think a certain amount of insecurity is built in. But they have to come across as so secure because 

you- you have to have that in you if you think a million-plus people care about what you do. So you have to have a certain amount of that in you. And there's just something very real about him and charming that I really like. 

Rich Bennett 33:06
What 

Tammie Wingrove 33:07
the? He is, he's 

Rich Bennett 33:08
It's 

Tammie Wingrove 33:08
so- 

Rich Bennett 33:08
not in your head, like, yeah. 

Tammie Wingrove 33:10
The- the one line that Christine says, "You're smarter than people give you credit for. Because I think that's what you're sort of talking about because they have this persona that they have to be, but they're real people too." 

Lee Adams 33:24
Yeah. 

Tammie Wingrove 33:25
And they have feelings and they're softer or tougher than you actually think that I really enjoy the artist. I think my favorite is the tour manager. I really... I hope that it continues to be because so in my life, I am that go-to person for my friends. They know you can call me at three o'clock in the morning, you can call me at nine o'clock at night, whatever time, and I'm gonna pick up my stuff and I'm going to be there. And, and I think it's... it's shared between the the tour manager and then the main character Christine and I feel I am this combination of them, but I think the tour manager he he is my my favorite at least right now at the halfway point, I'll let you know who how I nut out, but I relate so well to that. 

Lee Adams 34:17
I completely agree, and it's funny because I've let a couple of tour managers know that I wrote a book and the tour manager has a has a very big role in it and they all think it's about them and it's really cute. And it is it's a combination of all of the ones who over the years have just done an amazing job of taking care of me and my team, and Christine is probably somewhat 

my personality because I'm a Myers-Briggs twice proven introvert. 

Rich Bennett 34:53
Oh, what? 

Lee Adams 34:55
I know, I know. 

Tammie Wingrove 34:56
That introverted extrovert or 

Lee Adams 34:58
introvert. 

Tammie Wingrove 34:58
extroverted 

Lee Adams 34:59
They call it an outgoing introvert. 

Tammie Wingrove 35:01
Okay. 

Lee Adams 35:03
And I learned in my last leadership meeting when they did the Myers-Briggs, and I kept telling my bosses I'm an introvert when I worked for MCA records, he made me do Myers-Briggs and I came out as 

Rich Bennett 35:13
Okay. 

Lee Adams 35:13
an introvert, and then I just had to do it again. And it's not whether you can outgoing. It's where do you get your energy from? Do you get your energy from being alone in solitude, or with just a couple of people, or do you get your energy from being in groups? And I get my energy from being either alone reading a book, or in smaller groups. 

So it is because when we did it there were only two of us out of everybody in the room. So most people in the entertainment industry are not introverts. They're extroverts. So it's been a bit of a dichotomy for me having to always be out there the life of the party. I mean, I'm a non-drinker. I'm a non-partyer, and I'm in the entertainment industry. I just happen to love country music. So there is some of my personality in her, which 

there's also part of her that I drew on from other people, and then some of it, I like her experience in high school, I just completely made up. But I'm sure it's happened to many people, but I made that up. So it's hard to say my favorite. I think I just... there's just something about Austin that is charming, but I love Phoebe and her attitude. And I love Christine 

and the way that her character builds. And I love the tour manager because he reminds me of so many people that have been so good to me and the friend Joliana who's just always there to build up her friend who is insecure. So it's really hard. It's like trying to say which is your favorite child. It depends on the chapter I'm in. 

Tammie Wingrove 37:00
They're also different. And 

Rich Bennett 37:02
It's 

Tammie Wingrove 37:02
at 

Rich Bennett 37:02
easy 

Tammie Wingrove 37:02
that 

Rich Bennett 37:02
for 

Tammie Wingrove 37:02
time. 

Rich Bennett 37:03
me to say whichever one's in the room with me at the 

time. 

Lee Adams 37:08
Good point. 

Rich Bennett 37:08
Yeah, they're both in the room at the same time. I'll be like well you are son. 

I 

Tammie Wingrove 37:18
say you're my favorite five-year-old or six-year-old and they haven't become old enough to find the loophole of well wait a minute you just said 

Rich Bennett 37:27
so. I just tell all you tell my son. He is my favorite son. 

Tammie Wingrove 37:30
I can say 

Rich Bennett 37:31
him. 

Tammie Wingrove 37:31
that 

Rich Bennett 37:31
He's 

Tammie Wingrove 37:31
to 

Rich Bennett 37:31
my only son. 

Tammie Wingrove 37:32
I have two daughters. So I I 

Rich Bennett 37:34
figure 

Tammie Wingrove 37:34
can't figure out and they both have red 

Rich Bennett 37:35
out right 

Tammie Wingrove 37:35
hair. 

Rich Bennett 37:35
here. 

Tammie Wingrove 37:35
I can't even say you're my favorite red head. 

Lee Adams 37:38
He'll

Rich Bennett 37:38
Oh yeah that would be kind 

Tammie Wingrove 37:40
be 

Rich Bennett 37:40
of 

Tammie Wingrove 37:40
tricky. 

Rich Bennett 37:40
tough. Yeah, that Irish would come in and watch out. 

Tammie Wingrove 37:44
They have tempers. Woo. 

Rich Bennett 37:47
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anybody reading Are they 

Tammie Wingrove 39:07
it? 

Rich Bennett 39:07
set up for a sequel? 

Lee Adams 39:11
It could be. It could be and I've actually written it. 

Rich Bennett 39:17
But 

Lee Adams 39:18
it will depend on whether they want to publish it as a sequel or if I need to rewrite it as a standalone or if anybody wants to publish it. Who knows? But I, but I, I wrote it. I'm in the middle of editing, which I am the worst at editing. I'm actually 

not good at the writing process. I envy those who outline, who have posted notes all over that house. I remind myself of Forest Company started running. And he didn't really know why he started running. And he didn't really know why he stopped. I just start writing and then I stop. And then I have to go back. And an editor is like, oh my gosh, what were you trying to say? Where's the arc? And I'm like, I need an arc. So. 

Rich Bennett 40:07
What's an arc? 

Lee Adams 40:08
Well, it's every chapter and every book is supposed to kind of have a conflict, a middle, and then a resolution. 

Rich Bennett 40:18
Okay. 

Lee Adams 40:19
And I didn't study writing. I broadcasting in college. So I've had to learn a lot about how to write properly, 

Rich Bennett 40:29
especially in novel, because it's a lot different than writing some other things. 

Lee Adams 40:32
Yes. So I've tried to take a lot of classes and tutorials. But it's really the editors that just come and after me, they're amazing. Editors are amazing. 

Rich Bennett 40:42
They're like, they're like, they was people in the music industry, the ones that don't get a lot of credit. 

Lee Adams 40:48
Yes, yes. They end up knowing my character is better than I do in their life. But would Christine really do that? Would Matt really do that? 

Tammie Wingrove 40:56
do 

Lee Adams 40:57
Would Austin really know they wouldn't have. So they really help my books become good books versus what they there? How 

Rich Bennett 41:07
hard is that? As a 

Tammie Wingrove 41:09
writer 

Rich Bennett 41:09
when you have an editor or editors, 

Tammie Wingrove 41:13
change on 

Rich Bennett 41:14
you. then 

Tammie Wingrove 41:16
And 

Rich Bennett 41:16
telling you know 

Tammie Wingrove 41:17
better. 

Rich Bennett 41:17
that it's 

Tammie Wingrove 41:18
How 

Rich Bennett 41:18
hard is that? 

Tammie Wingrove 41:19
gotta 

Rich Bennett 41:19
You skin out with things. 

Lee Adams 41:21
For me, it isn't. And I think part of that is because of my music industry experience, when we bring in an artist who we see a lot of potential in, the ones that completely dig their heels in and don't listen to any advice anybody gives them. 

Unless they just come in ready to go, which is rare, but it does happen. When they dig their heels in and refuse to listen to anybody, 

you find that they're going to stymie themselves in how much they can grow versus when the ones come in and say, I can't change inherently what is authentic about myself, but I see why I need to do this. 

And just using something very generic, maybe they're not the type that is comfortable being on social media. But if you don't have a social media presence today, it's going to be very, very hard. So the ones that go, it's not really my thing, but if you can get me with somebody where we can make it what I'm comfortable with, we can work with you. But if somebody says I absolutely refuse to be on social media, we're going to really struggle to get them to where they want to be. So, 

Rich Bennett 42:42
it 

Lee Adams 42:43
really is. If you remember back in the day, I think it was some sort of hair shampoo or something and then they told two friends and so on and so on. Two friends became form four became eight and they became 

Tammie Wingrove 42:57
a 

Lee Adams 42:57
sixteen and so on and so forth. 

So for me, the editors, the agents, the publishers, know more about this industry right now than I do. I just simply wrote a book. Oh, 

Rich Bennett 43:09
they 

Lee Adams 43:09
I do. It's right. A story. I know nothing about the book publishing industry. So to not take their advice when they've been doing this, for 10, 15, 20, 30 years puts me in a position of refusing to learn and not allowing myself growth. The only thing I won't do is if it goes against inherently my beliefs or anything 

that I feel is harmful, which nobody has ever tried to do. But if they did, then I would absolutely say no. 

Rich Bennett 43:44
And you have to 

because you are your brand. That is you. And you've got to stand behind it 100%. 

Lee Adams 43:51
It would have to be something that I just said, I'm sorry. But 

Rich Bennett 43:55
I 

Lee Adams 43:56
just don't believe in that. And nobody's ever tried that. But that's what it would 

Rich Bennett 44:03
be. Right. 

Lee Adams 44:04
So, so absolutely, I listened to them. And they brilliantly have made it so much better than I ever could have on my own. 

Rich Bennett 44:12
So, which came first? 

Tammie Wingrove 44:14
There's 

Rich Bennett 44:15
the 

Tammie Wingrove 44:15
publishers, 

Rich Bennett 44:15
publishers

, publishers, publishers, publisher or 

Tammie Wingrove 44:18
eight 

Rich Bennett 44:18
the for you. 

Because I know sometimes the publishers will perform editors, and sometimes 

Tammie Wingrove 44:27
you got I 

Lee Adams 44:30
had the first draft. I believe edited first. And then I did a tutorial with an agent who liked the theme of the book. And then she had her editors with it. And then I signed with the 

Tammie Wingrove 44:48
get 

Lee Adams 44:48
agent and then she helped me find a publisher. 

Rich Bennett 44:51
So, all in all, when you 

Tammie Wingrove 44:55
do 

Rich Bennett 44:57
editor to 

Tammie Wingrove 44:57
go to 

Rich Bennett 44:58
show on was that time 

Lee Adams 44:59
frame? Nine years. 

Rich Bennett 45:01
Let me rephrase that from finding the agent to get the 

Tammie Wingrove 45:04
job. 

Rich Bennett 45:04
How long was that time frame? 

Lee Adams 45:06
Probably eight years. Because 

Rich Bennett 45:09
good Lord. 

Lee Adams 45:11
Yeah. But you have to we went through COVID. Oh, yeah, that's we went through so from about 2020 to 2020. really 

Tammie Wingrove 45:19
It's 

Lee Adams 45:20
hard to get much done. 

Rich Bennett 45:21
Yeah. 

Lee Adams 45:22
And so that would have been like, I think I wrote it around 2016. I probably got with her around 2017, 2018. It takes a while to edit it. Plus 

Rich Bennett 45:34
of your job, too. 

Lee Adams 45:35
Plus with my job. Absolutely. So then it takes a while to edit it to get it to where you can start sending it out for publishers. And then COVID happened. And that kind of put everything on hold for a couple of years. 

Rich Bennett 45:50
Right. 

Lee Adams 45:50
And then we got active with it again. And then I signed on about a year ago. And then it's coming out. 

Rich Bennett 45:58
Do you have to find your. 

Lee Adams 45:59
The 

Rich Bennett 46:00
publisher straight. The publisher does the cover too. Did they give you options of the cover? 

Lee Adams 46:05
They do. They do. And this is where some of my, you know, you can tell by what I'm wearing. 

Rich Bennett 46:13
She's 

Lee Adams 46:13
I'm a very basic black. 

Rich Bennett 46:14
not wearing the nehigh moccasins. 

Lee Adams 46:17
I am not wearing the ne high moccasins. I did let that go somewhere in college. But I'm a very basic 

style dresser. So it's a lot of jeans and jackets and black and white and blue. And I didn't do a lot of colors. I just my mom says my closet makes it look like I'm constantly going to a funeral. 

So when they brought, they wanted to know what kind of covers I like. So they asked me for ideas, which I sent them. And then they came back and there were pinks. And I'm like, pink. 

There, there's pink and bright yellows. And so I sent it to a bunch of friends thinking like me, they would disagree. And they go, no, we're sorry, but right. I said, well, I can't have my name in pink. 

Nothing against pink. And I love people that love pink. And beautiful color and pink as an artist is amazing. I went to see her this summer and I was not a fan and she made me a fan. She is amazing. So I, you know, nothing guessed anybody who likes pink, but it just is inauthentic to me. And I said at least my name has to be authentic to me. 

Rich Bennett 47:43
Don't change the way you dress. 

Lee Adams 47:45
So thank you. So they did change the name from pink. But there's still pink on the cover, but everybody overruled me and said, 

Tammie Wingrove 47:53
you're 

Lee Adams 47:54
just wrong. And I accepted that and I can be wrong. And I think the cover is better for it. I really like the cover. 

Tammie Wingrove 48:04
is that you're feeling of, "I can't have the pink, this is not who I am. Is that a little bit of your inner Christine coming out?" Where, 

Lee Adams 48:12
Yeah. 

Tammie Wingrove 48:12
as you're saying it, I'm thinking, "I can see Christine saying, no, no, absolutely not. And then, Giuliana and Phoebe are going to come in and overrule and-- 

Lee Adams 48:22
You have to wear pink. Yes. And that is absolutely my one friend that I work with. She would be like, you need to buy the pink dress. You have to wear the pink dress. And she would convince me to do it. And we go to some award show or something with her looking like a million bucks. In fact, 

Rich Bennett 48:40
every-- [LAUGHS] 

Lee Adams 48:40
Every test she's going to know if she hears this time talking about her. But I'm going to keep her name out of it. But every time we go somewhere-- and in fairness, she's 15 years younger than me. But we've been extremely close for many, many years. And every time we go somewhere, people go, are you her publicist? I'm like, no, I'm a publicist. 

Rich Bennett 48:57
[LAUGHS] 

Lee Adams 48:58
We even did a long weekend. Addling enough, she had to be in France for business. I did not. I am not that important. 

Rich Bennett 49:09
[LAUGHS] 

Lee Adams 49:10
she said, yeah, I go to places like Albany, New York, and Syracuse. 

Rich Bennett 49:15
But 

Lee Adams 49:15
And she said, would you come over and spend a weekend in Paris with me? And I said, sure. So I flew over. And everywhere we went, people were like, 

is she famous? And you work for her? I'm like, no. Or my favorite. Are you her mother? 

Rich Bennett 49:32
Oh my god. 

Lee Adams 49:33
That one was very, very painful. 

Rich Bennett 49:35
Wow. 

Lee Adams 49:37
I get that with a lot of my artists, too, quite honestly. I'm like, 

Rich Bennett 49:42
wow. 

Lee Adams 49:42
But he asked if I'm their grandmother. I'm resigning on the spot. I'm retiring that day. 

But 

Rich Bennett 49:48
yeah. Oh, wow. 

Lee Adams 49:49
Yeah. So I'm like, no, I'm not her mother. And I'm not her publicist. 

So-- but she likes pink. And she likes frills. And she has this amazing style of dress. And I'm always in jeans and black jackets. So I look like her publicist. 

[LAUGHTER] 

So yes, that is the inner Christine and Juliana, right there. 

Tammie Wingrove 50:17
I feel like I could hear it. 

Lee Adams 50:19
[LAUGHTER] Yep. [LAUGHTER] 

Tammie Wingrove 50:20
Clearly, the scene in the book where they're getting ready for it, the dip. And they're going out. And Christine is like, no, thank you. 

Rich Bennett 50:30
Actually, any plans on doing an audio version of this? 

Lee Adams 50:34
I don't know. I think we have to find out first am I going to sell four copies, four thousand copies. 

Rich Bennett 50:42
I know. Sometimes I'd like the way the year through 

Lee Adams 50:44
Is 

Rich Bennett 50:44
the-- 

Lee Adams 50:45
anybody actually going to buy it, other than my friends and family? 

Rich Bennett 50:49
Yeah. 

Tammie Wingrove 50:50
you. My 

Rich Bennett 50:50
Well, 

Tammie Wingrove 50:51
friends and family, 

Lee Adams 50:52
thank 

Tammie Wingrove 50:52
buy the book. And like Rich says, buy an extra copy and give it as a gift. 

Lee Adams 50:57
Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 50:58
I learned 

Lee Adams 50:59
quick. 

Rich Bennett 50:59
very 

Lee Adams 51:00
Thank you. I always 

Rich Bennett 51:01
put-- 

Tammie Wingrove 51:02
tell the listener. 

Rich Bennett 51:03
June, after you purchased the book, read it, leave it for review. And then instead of passing the book on, purchase it for somebody else, or more people. And the thing is, I think with this, because it does talk about mental health and interlite. 

So business is listening. Purchase a bunch of them, and donate it to-- [INAUDIBLE] For some place ahead, deals with that. 

I some local radio-- I think radio stations everywhere, especially country stations, need to buy a ton of these books. 

Lee Adams 51:40
think 

Rich Bennett 51:41
And give them to your guests 

Tammie Wingrove 51:43
come. 

Rich Bennett 51:43
as they 

so-- 

Lee Adams 51:46
Thank 

Rich Bennett 51:46
I'm going to get you 

Lee Adams 51:47
you. 

Rich Bennett 51:47
hooked 

Lee Adams 51:47
I'm 

Rich Bennett 51:47
up. 

[LAUGHTER] It's a 

Tammie Wingrove 51:51
really fun book. It's so fun. And I know it said I could see-- I'll be seven at ends, and I can see a movie. But I do really want to know who's playing Austin and Christine. 

Rich Bennett 52:03
Oh. 

Lee Adams 52:03
Christine, I don't know. So if you have any recommendations, I will take it. I have already decided that the main character, Austin, will be played by Alexander Ludwig. 

Tammie Wingrove 52:17
OK. 

Rich Bennett 52:17
Who's that? 

Lee Adams 52:18
He was Bjorn Ironside. 

Rich Bennett 52:21
Oh, no. I'm watching that now. I love that ship. 

Tammie Wingrove 52:24
I'm 

Rich Bennett 52:25
Sorry. 

Tammie Wingrove 52:25
looking him up right now because I 

Rich Bennett 52:26
He 

Tammie Wingrove 52:26
haven't-- 

Rich Bennett 52:26
a big guy. 

Tammie Wingrove 52:27
Of 

Lee Adams 52:28
Alexander Ludwig, he's also a country singer. 

Rich Bennett 52:30
Is he really? 

Lee Adams 52:31
He's also with our company, and he's also become a very good friend of mine. 

Rich Bennett 52:35
Really? 

I am on season 9 now. 

Lee Adams 52:40
He's amazing, isn't 

Rich Bennett 52:41
he? Yes. 

Lee Adams 52:42
Although I always tease him, and I tell him, I go, I'm sorry. You're just too young, but rag-- 

Rich Bennett 52:51
[LAUGHS] 

Lee Adams 52:52
he's like i know you think ragnar's hot i go i'm just saying if i ever get to meet him i'd really appreciate it just 

Rich Bennett 52:59
guy that played ragnar 

Tammie Wingrove 53:00
the 

Rich Bennett 53:00
loft broke 

Tammie Wingrove 53:01
okay 

Rich Bennett 53:01
who yeah invite 

Tammie Wingrove 53:02
so 

Rich Bennett 53:02
two 

Tammie Wingrove 53:03
two 

Rich Bennett 53:03
who is 

Tammie Wingrove 53:03
49 

Rich Bennett 53:04
on the sides fuck 

Tammie Wingrove 53:06
okay 

Rich Bennett 53:06
or 

Tammie Wingrove 53:07
is 

Rich Bennett 53:07
or or 

have you watched Vikings 

Lee Adams 53:11
yes i 

Rich Bennett 53:11
watch 

Lee Adams 53:11
have 

Rich Bennett 53:11
i 

Lee Adams 53:11
i 

Rich Bennett 53:12
don't know if they ever covered it in it because rollo said that he 

Tammie Wingrove 53:19
if 

Lee Adams 53:21
you look at the history because these are real characters 

Rich Bennett 53:25
oh i know yeah 

Lee Adams 53:26
so he it Bjorn is credited as being ragnar's son 

Rich Bennett 53:30
okay oh if you haven't watched it's funny because it was i think it's 

Tammie Wingrove 53:34
on 

Rich Bennett 53:34
history channel 

Lee Adams 53:35
it did it's 

Rich Bennett 53:36
now it's on 

Lee Adams 53:36
in fact my dad gave me a hard 

Tammie Wingrove 53:38
net 

Lee Adams 53:39
time because when i started watching it he's like your way behind the times i watched it on the history channel so it was really sweet when my when my dad was in the hospital uh Alexander actually did a video 

Tammie Wingrove 53:51
dad 

Lee Adams 53:51
for my 

Tammie Wingrove 53:52
and 

Lee Adams 53:52
to him 

Rich Bennett 53:53
is he front he's not from here there right 

Lee Adams 53:55
no he's from canada 

Rich Bennett 53:57
from canada because i know a lot of 

Tammie Wingrove 54:00
the actors 

Rich Bennett 54:00
were from like over in europe if i'm not mistaken 

Lee Adams 54:03
yeah he's canadian 

Rich Bennett 54:05
i'll be darn what that explains why i guess Adam Coupon was probably on it 

Lee Adams 54:12
that i don't know man i don't know but Alexander is a country singer he has amazing musicality if anybody gets a 

Rich Bennett 54:19
then does 

Lee Adams 54:19
chance Alexander Ludwig yes absolutely and great songs 

Rich Bennett 54:25
is he still 

Lee Adams 54:26
he is in fact is acting careers taking all so much that he had to kind of put the whole song thing on on hold for a little while because he's he's been in so many movies and tv shows lately 

Rich Bennett 54:39
acting wow 

Lee Adams 54:39
but um but yeah i i've already let him let him know that i plan on him being the main character 

Tammie Wingrove 54:45
i i just google image him he is how i picture Austin so well done 

Rich Bennett 54:50
done but 

Tammie Wingrove 54:50
well 

Rich Bennett 54:50
did you get the picture of him from Vikings 

Tammie Wingrove 54:52
no i 

Rich Bennett 54:53
uh 

Tammie Wingrove 54:53
he's just 

Rich Bennett 54:53
okay 

Tammie Wingrove 54:53
he's in a suit and he just that this face is the face that that i kind of picture because it says it all he's he's a good guy and a little mischievous probably and yeah but underneath of it i just a good kid 

Lee Adams 55:09
he would be phenomenal in the role 

Rich Bennett 55:12
wow 

Lee Adams 55:12
but if you can think of people to fit the other 

Tammie Wingrove 55:15
okay i'm gonna crank 

Lee Adams 55:16
it 

Tammie Wingrove 55:16
on 

Rich Bennett 55:19
yes 

Lee Adams 55:19
i struggle for that and that's one of the things that the publisher asked me who do you see 

Rich Bennett 55:24
yeah 

Lee Adams 55:25
as the very so that they could get an idea for the cover and outside of Alexander i really didn't know so 

Rich Bennett 55:34
they called Alexander up so we need you to pose for this cover when that be 

Tammie Wingrove 55:39
something in pink 

Rich Bennett 55:41
oh god there there's the pink 

Tammie Wingrove 55:45
probably no pink 

Rich Bennett 55:46
so with 

Tammie Wingrove 55:48
but no shirt 

Rich Bennett 55:48
the marketing part because again this is something with that a lot of authors have trouble 

Tammie Wingrove 55:54
with 

Rich Bennett 55:54
it is it the publisher 

Tammie Wingrove 55:57
for you 

Rich Bennett 55:57
marketing 

Tammie Wingrove 55:57
or is that 

Lee Adams 55:59
i 

actually hired my job like you said is 

Rich Bennett 56:06
seven 

Lee Adams 56:06
24 

Rich Bennett 56:06
right 

Lee Adams 56:07
and first and foremost in my life right now from a work perspective a professional perspective is to get my artist number one singles that's what I do 

Rich Bennett 56:17
living 

Lee Adams 56:17
for a 

so i can't take time to market me and promote me when i'm promoting them 

Rich Bennett 56:26
right 

Lee Adams 56:26
so as long as i'm still doing this job full time but i got this opportunity and i went to my bosses and i said here's where i am here's what's going on they've been amazingly supportive and i said but i'm going to hire a publicist a book publicist and i'm going to hire someone do my social media so I hired people to do that 

Rich Bennett 56:49
is that who i got the email 

Lee Adams 56:50
yes that's who you heard from 

Rich Bennett 56:52
okay 

Lee Adams 56:52
so they made me feel something out that like a five step if you were going to hit on audiences that might have an interest in you and of course i was raised in this area so right away you came to mind because i know what you do here 

Tammie Wingrove 57:09
was 

Lee Adams 57:09
so i had put you down and then up where i live now there's a radio station where the guy was like yes we can work with you i did hit 

wxy same reason i'm from here shipanceburg my college they've been putting things in their newsletter Nashville of course because that's the community that i work in so they've been hitting all of those people so i hired somebody to do that i still have to obviously do the work i still have to come here and do the interview right fill out the Q and A's but they're doing the legwork of it. 

Rich Bennett 57:43
All right. So do you have the ability to actually record from home virtually on other podcast? 

Lee Adams 57:51
No. 

Rich Bennett 57:52
No. So you any you have good internet? 

Lee Adams 57:55
I do. 

Rich Bennett 57:56
So you need a microphone that plugs into your computer and headphones in a webcam. 

Lee Adams 58:02
I have headphones from my radio day, but they're probably so antiquated at this point that it would be amazing if they even worked 

Rich Bennett 58:11
because I can get you hooked up on. 

Lee Adams 58:13
Okay. Good to know 

Rich Bennett 58:14
everywhere. And I can let, let your publicist 

Lee Adams 58:17
that 

Rich Bennett 58:18
know 

Lee Adams 58:18
that would be phenomenal. 

Tammie Wingrove 58:19
I 

Rich Bennett 58:19
mean, there's I, it's, I have one author on 

Tammie Wingrove 58:24
book 

Rich Bennett 58:25
and she was using a service where I get a lot of my guests from and she did what we call the podcast certainly going on podcasts or at the world and she sold thousands of books. 

Lee Adams 58:36
That would be amazing. 

Rich Bennett 58:37
Release 

Lee Adams 58:38
Thank 

Rich Bennett 58:38
her 

Lee Adams 58:38
you. 

Rich Bennett 58:38
first book and doing her own podcast now. Yeah, she's all yeah, Terry Brandon. I'm telling that you drop in names. 

Lee Adams 58:46
Please drop. 

Rich Bennett 58:46
Yeah, 

Lee Adams 58:48
you know, the funny thing about what I see with singers and I love about singers is that they really support each other. 

Rich Bennett 58:56
Yeah. 

Lee Adams 58:58
And I said I wasn't going to talk about any of my artists but because she has talked about it. I'm going to, but when Laney Wilson first came to town, she lived in a trailer 

Rich Bennett 59:07
really. 

Lee Adams 59:07
And she hauled the trailer to town. Her dad made her learn to back it up to the whole bit. 

Rich Bennett 59:14
So 

Lee Adams 59:15
she lived in a trailer for the first three years just just a bumper pull trailer and she started writing in that trailer with her good buddy, Luke, Luke cones 

Rich Bennett 59:27
really. 

Lee Adams 59:27
So when, when they first get to town, all the ones that are trying to make it within the same time frame become really good friends. 

Rich Bennett 59:38
Yeah. 

Lee Adams 59:39
So her peers are people like Luke cones. And I'm noticing that writers do the same thing. I this amazing writer, Jennifer Morehead. 

My agent put me in touch with her to get a blurb because you have to reach out to authors and as for blurbs. And it's so hard to do. Hello, when you read my book and say something nice about me, it's the most uncomfortable thing to do. And she had just released her first book. So she called me last week and she goes, I have all these ideas for you. Let's sit down and talk. And she just gave me this myriad of ideas. She's so paid it forward and I don't even know how I can pay it back other than say, if you like mystery writing, go by Jennifer Morehead's book broken by you because I'm noticing that other authors are now trying to help me. And years ago, I discovered an artist, Tracy Garvis Graves, and I saw her book on the island in the airport. And when I discovered that so many agents had turned her down that she self-published and it went viral and she's all half a million copies. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:52
Wow. 

Lee Adams 1:00:53
And then of course, got a huge book deal. And I reached out to her because I was trying to figure out how to get it and I was getting rejection notice after rejection notice. And she became an acquaintance. She answered me. She talked to me and when I went to her to ask for a blurb, she was like, absolutely. 

So authors support authors. There's another, he's mainly a young adult, a YA author, Jeff Zettner. And he always a great guy. 

He is based in Nashville and he wanted to write about 

country singer. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:32
a 

Lee Adams 1:01:32
So he reached out to me because I reached out to him and he said, can you just tell me with some behind the scenes information? And quite honestly, I told him I haven't read the book because I didn't want, in any way, when I was editing to subconscious. Incorporate anything. So I still haven't read that particular book. But he's been such a great help. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:01:53
So

Lee Adams 1:01:54
it. So please plug any author that you would like to. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:57
I just love to talk while I love talking to people, but a lot of those people, the authors and even we've had some celebrities on. So well, like I told my niece, define celebrity, movie stars on, I guess you could say, but to hear their backstories is what I love here. Because everybody hears the same stuff all the time. You know, but to hear their backstories, it's just. Oh, like Alexander, look, I had no idea he sang. 

Lee Adams 1:02:30
Well, I did the. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:31
I have to find 

Lee Adams 1:02:32
The 

Rich Bennett 1:02:32
his 

Lee Adams 1:02:32
funny 

Rich Bennett 1:02:32
music. 

Lee Adams 1:02:33
thing is I didn't either. And. I realized that some of my friends in the music industry were posting pictures with them while I was watching Vikings and I'm like, "Okay, I don't know how you know Bjorn Arneside, but you have got to introduce me." And they said, "We would love to." And then I saw that he put out a song and I'm like, "Oh please don't let me hate this because I wanted to like it so 

Rich Bennett 1:02:58
You 

Lee Adams 1:02:58
much." 

Rich Bennett 1:02:58
thought it was going to be like that Viking medal? 

Lee Adams 1:03:01
Well, I knew it was 

Rich Bennett 1:03:02
That's 

Lee Adams 1:03:02
country. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:02
a thing. 

Lee Adams 1:03:03
But…

So, yeah, so I heard this song and loved it and I called the guys and they were about to go on stage that night. But I'm like, I don't know what's going on with Alexander Ludwig, but I went in. And he said, "We were actually going to call you next week." So that's kind of how I ended up… 

Rich Bennett 1:03:20
Did you have your singing perform? 

Lee Adams 1:03:22
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's great. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:25
Really? 

Lee Adams 1:03:25
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:26
All right, now I got pulled up. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:03:28
Absolutely, 

Rich Bennett 1:03:29
But 

Tammie Wingrove 1:03:29
I will. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:30
he is… he is… It's just… You got to watch it, 

Tammie Wingrove 1:03:32
as a series. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:33
Because the characters… And the one that places mother… 

Lee Adams 1:03:38
And I 

Rich Bennett 1:03:39
think she's the producer and director. 

Lee Adams 1:03:41
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 1:03:41
I 

Lee Adams 1:03:41
is she? 

Rich Bennett 1:03:42
believe so. She was also one of the fast… Fast and furious 

Tammie Wingrove 1:03:47
noises. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:49
But there are just characters that you get hooked into and you fall in love with. So her, flowki… I love flowki. Ragnar, of course. Born out on the side. And I don't know why, but I var. Born's other brother. It's just something about him that just sucked you in. All in

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:16
all the love with him. 

Lee Adams 1:04:17
Yeah, 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:17
so 

Lee Adams 1:04:19
Alexander would be Austin. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:21
I absolutely agree. Having not seen Vikings or heard his music, just his face is who I picture when you describe him. So yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:04:30
Wow. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:30
I'm excited. But now I'm going to watch Vikings. My father-in-law. I'm so sorry, Papa. No, I said that I'm going to watch it. 

Lee Adams 1:04:37
He's 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:38
just still having 

Lee Adams 1:04:39
So, 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:39
it. 

Lee Adams 1:04:40
he's in a lot of things. He was in bad boys. He was the first Hunger Games. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:46
Oh, okay. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:48
I didn't hear that. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:49
I saw the Hunger Games movies. Ed Redbuck's 

Lee Adams 1:04:52
Remember the guy in the Hunger Games who was 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:55
favorite ... 

Lee Adams 1:04:55
favored to win? 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:56
Okay, in the first one. Oh, no, Kitty. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:58
Okay. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:04:59
And 

Rich Bennett 1:05:00
I knew Ragnar's, the guy that played Ragnar is in a, I think, a... series 

Lee Adams 1:05:05
Siri. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:05
now. 

Lee Adams 1:05:06
Oh, is it, you know, 

Rich Bennett 1:05:07
Please, 

Lee Adams 1:05:07
I think I did read 

Rich Bennett 1:05:07
that. 

Lee Adams 1:05:08
But Alexander also did a show. And I forgot what it's on right now. But it's called Heels and it's about. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:16
Yes, the wrestling. Yes, with Arrow. I forget his name, Steve, whatever. The guy that played Arrow. 

Lee Adams 1:05:23
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:05:23
I'll be darned. 

Lee Adams 1:05:23
he's on that too. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:24
Oh, man, okay. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:05:26
I have so much TV to watch. Music to listen to, and I still have to finish the book. I'm going to be 

Lee Adams 1:05:33
busy. You're 

Tammie Wingrove 1:05:33
very 

Lee Adams 1:05:34
very busy. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:35
Damn, you have any more questions? 

Tammie Wingrove 1:05:37
Oh, let's see. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:39
I

Tammie Wingrove 1:05:40
have so many questions. 

Okay. 

So, who... how do I ask it for? I wouldn't ask you about. So, women are thinking about buying this book. Give it...why? We've talked about it's so relatable, but... 

Rich Bennett 1:06:04
What if men want to buy it? 

Tammie Wingrove 1:06:05
They will, and I... They will, but this is, it's, I'm not 

Rich Bennett 1:06:09
that. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:06:09
trying to 

Rich Bennett 1:06:10
Because 

Tammie Wingrove 1:06:10
say 

Rich Bennett 1:06:10
it's 

Tammie Wingrove 1:06:10
Team 

Rich Bennett 1:06:10
roommate. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:06:11
girl, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:11
No, I 

Tammie Wingrove 1:06:12
but 

Rich Bennett 1:06:12
don't. Say you're saying. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:06:13
it is. Women, women don't, we've fought for our place in so many industries. Christine is fighting for her place in the music industry. 

So, is it because it's, you know, it's, it's strong for women, right? And it's, it's an empowering book. And so, I don't know, do you agree with that? Like, it's a good... You're going to feel empowered, and it reminds us that we're in this together. It doesn't matter your industry. 

Lee Adams 1:06:41
Absolutely. 

The relationship between the women and the book is something that I really 

focused on, and I really liked, and the way that 

they support her, especially her friend, Juliana, who, quite honestly, is the opposite. She is the... 

Model-esque looking woman. She is the one that everybody would think would be with, this singer. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:10
And 

Lee Adams 1:07:10
She 

Rich Bennett 1:07:11
where do 

Lee Adams 1:07:11
is that person, but her personality, yes, and we're 

Rich Bennett 1:07:14
people... 

Lee Adams 1:07:14
pink. But her personality, 

she also has her insecurity. She also has... her issues, but she's so supportive of Christine and Christine's the insecure one and she's the one that points out, you have to focus on what has happened to you that has made you feel this way and you need to work on this. You can't just bury this. And I think so many times we do and it takes other people empowering us to say maybe I do need to address this. And maybe I do need to work on this and maybe I do need to get over this. And I think that women today are getting more comfortable in their own skin versus 

maybe back when I was growing up if you don't look a certain way, if you weren't a certain way, if you. So it is. It's very empowering for women, not in a I'm a woman who hear me roar, not that I have a problem with that. Absolutely that's fine too, but more just women supporting women and it 

Rich Bennett 1:08:30
sounds like in the corned book too because you got a lot of the men that are supporting her as well. And I think that's something big as well. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:08:37
them. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:37
Men need to support

Lee Adams 1:08:39
100%

Tammie Wingrove 1:08:40
and they do a great job in this book of wanting to support Christine and I think that's a really a neat thing. Whether it's on the friendship side or the business side and respecting boundaries within that world. 

Lee Adams 1:08:59
I was suggesting what you said about about the men supporting. I've been extremely lucky. In multiple facets of my life, whether it was when I was a kid doing Taquando, which 

wasn't necessarily seen as a woman's sport but my dad, my instructors were just very, very supportive of me to the radio industry, which growing up was seen at WPSC. Most of the air personalities called dischenkeys back then were female. There was a female job. I get into the room world and I'm like, what do you mean there's only one in five dischockeys that are female? I had no idea. Yeah, when I got into the industry, I had a lot of support 

from my male boss who continuously moved me up within the radio station. Then, when I got into the record world, I've had male bosses who have continuously put me in higher positions and male artists who have really treated me with a ton of respect for my opinion, for my 

thoughts. I had a father that really did the same thing, not only for women in his industry, but for my sister and me. I've been very, very lucky in that respect. I wanted to show that in the book that it's not just women supporting each other, but women supporting the men and men supporting the women, that it doesn't have to go down lines, that it's just everybody supporting everybody. That's what I have felt in my life and my career and I'm glad that you recognize that. 

Tammie Wingrove 1:10:51
Yeah, if more people can get on board with that and build each other up, it doesn't have to be like you said, always, I'm "Woman, hear me roar" or "He, man, let's work together. See the beauty and what you bring to the table." And that's neat because the character see what each of them brings to the table and have built each other up. 

Lee Adams 1:11:13
Yeah. And their group of five just really support each other. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:18
Well two questions. Number 

Tammie Wingrove 1:11:20
why 

Rich Bennett 1:11:20
one, tell everybody 

Tammie Wingrove 1:11:22
they need to buy the one toy 

Rich Bennett 1:11:25
or why they should? 

Lee Adams 1:11:29
I think he goes back to what we've been saying just about the relationship and the friendship. And I think in so many situations, whether it's a work situation, whether you're on PTA with somebody, whether you're in a church group with somebody or whatever it happens to be, we find our group. We find the people who support us. We find the people who make us better. And I drew from my experiences of people who I feel have made me a better person and helped my growth throughout the years. And I tried to borrow from that and make these characters do the same for each other. And I think we all have these people in our lives. And I think it's a shout out to the people who make us better because they see something in us that maybe we don't. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:21
All right. So you ready for this? 

Lee Adams 1:12:24
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:25
Sure. 

Lee Adams 1:12:26
Maybe. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:26
It's a hard question. 

What's the next big thing for the adult? 

Lee Adams 1:12:32
Wow. Um, my next vacation walk. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:36
Hoping 

Lee Adams 1:12:37
I can make it over the Pyrenees Mountains. A 

Rich Bennett 1:12:41
microphone with you, or just take your cell phone with you and we'll record while you're doing it. No, I'm just going to go ahead. 

Lee Adams 1:12:49
Yeah, you know, it's so hard to say because so much of what I do is tied into what my artists do and 

from a personal perspective 

probably within the next five years retirement and 

focusing more on, well, retirement from the music industry to focus more on fulfilling 

some of my dreams, whether it's my writing or whether it's just more trips with my husband or whatever it happens to be I Love my job. I love my artists. I love my work But you get to an age where you realize that if you don't do some things now you're not gonna get a chance to do them and it gets here really fast for all of you thinking I'm only 30 it gets here faster than you think and 

I think that that's I've got a lot of things I would like to do 

Rich Bennett 1:13:43
is nothing but a number. I mean how 

Tammie Wingrove 1:13:45
Age 

Rich Bennett 1:13:45
many people do you know that are 60 that are still out there water skiing? 

Lee Adams 1:13:50
I love to water ski. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:52
Not a lot of people are doing that stuff. There's a lot of people would be too I mean I would get out there and try it again 

I probably get 

Lee Adams 1:13:58
I live on a 

Rich Bennett 1:13:59
dragged. 

Lee Adams 1:13:59
river. Come on. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:59
But huh. 

Lee Adams 1:14:00
I live on a river. Come on. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:01
I know 

Tammie Wingrove 1:14:03
we go. I love to water 

Lee Adams 1:14:04
There 

Tammie Wingrove 1:14:04
ski 

Lee Adams 1:14:05
Come to my house. All summer long 

Rich Bennett 1:14:08
I'm afraid you might just let me drown 

Lee Adams 1:14:10
Nope, just 

Rich Bennett 1:14:11
like quick quick cut the rope it's rich cut the world 

Lee Adams 1:14:14
cut the room Everybody wears a life jacket. We're very 

Rich Bennett 1:14:17
Okay 

Tammie Wingrove 1:14:18
and it's not a seat for the from a plane, right? 

Rich Bennett 1:14:21
I was gonna say yeah, she'll give me the seat from the plane That's my life 

Lee Adams 1:14:24
It's 

Rich Bennett 1:14:24
jacket. 

Lee Adams 1:14:25
not 

Rich Bennett 1:14:26
Lee thanks so much Tammy. Thank you always good 

Tammie Wingrove 1:14:30
seniors. Thank you. 

Lee Adams 1:14:31
Thank you both this means so much and that it's my hometown means even more so thank you

Rich Bennett 1:14:36
My pleasure. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:37
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