Living Life Differently: Real Stories from Amputee Friends

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In this inspiring episode, Rich Bennett sits down with members of the Amputee Friends Group and Real Life Prosthetics to discuss their journeys of resilience, recovery, and community. Through humor, honesty, and mutual support, they share how they’ve turned personal challenges into powerful stories of strength and connection. Tune in to hear how they’ve built a vibrant community that supports each other through the ups and downs of life after amputation. 

Guests:  

·         Michelle Willoughby: A former Baltimore City firefighter and recent amputee who founded the Amputee Friends Group to overcome loneliness and build a supportive community for those facing similar challenges.

·         Rebecca Welsh: A long-time amputee who survived a traumatic car accident and now actively participates in the Amputee Friends Group, sharing her journey of resilience and rediscovery.

·         Joanne Presbury: A resilient amputee who, despite losing her leg, remains positive and active within the Amputee Friends Group, constantly motivating others.

·         Jonas Seeberg: A certified prosthetist and the driving force behind Real Life Prosthetics, Jonas brings technical expertise and emotional support to the amputee community, helping individuals regain mobility and confidence. 

Main Topics: 

• The origin and purpose of the Amputee Friends

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and 10-Year Podcast Anniversary
• 1:31 Real Life Prosthetics and the Amputee Friends Group
• 10:31 Life After Amputation
• 25:31 Challenges and Triumphs
• 40:31 Building a Community of Support
• 55:31 Future Plans and Dreams
• 1:10:31 Closing Remarks

Transcript

Rich & Wendy 0:00
Hey, everyone is Rich Bennett. Can you believe it? The show is turning 10 this year. I am so grateful for each and every one of you who've tuned in, shared an episode, or even joined the conversation over the years. You're the reason that this podcast has grown into what it is today. Together, we've shared laughs, tears, and moments that truly matter. So I want to thank you for being part of this journey. Let's make the next 10 years even better. Coming to you from the Freedom Federal Credit Union Studios Harford County living presents 

Conversations with Rich Bennett. 

No, no, no, it's like, who is? 

Rich Bennett 1:00
We have real life prosthetics back. 

Joanne Presbury 1:02
With 

Rich Bennett 1:04
us, and we're going to go around the table and have everybody introduce themselves and we're going to be talking about 

the Amputee Friend Group, is it? As well as a nonprofit and hear their stories 

and no sunshine is not riding a bike yet. So we'll start to my left to go around just introduce 

Jonas Seeberg 1:25
yourselves. So I'm Jonah Sieberg, CPO with real life prosthetics and I have nothing to do with this group getting together. So this is totally organic. This was all them getting together, living life together. So I get photos and videos and I get the laugh as they send me, updates as to like what they're doing. So they definitely live life on the edge. 

Rich Bennett 1:50
Okay, that would be you, Rebecca. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:53
I'm Rebecca Welsh. I got through the Friend Group from Michelle because we weren't allowed to get certain names. So then Michelle decided to spark this group up and then friend it everybody. So we all get together and hang out. 

Michelle Willoughby 2:07
That would be me. 

Rebecca Welsh 2:08
That would be her. 

Michelle Willoughby 2:10
My name is Michelle 

Willoughby. I'm a fairly new amputee. It's been two years. I got bored and lonely. 

There was a lot of things I didn't know about being an amputee and I really did not want to go 

Joanne Presbury 2:27
to a 

Michelle Willoughby 2:29
support group. 

Rich Bennett 2:30
Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 2:32
So I just I started meeting people through real life, my 

Joanne Presbury 2:36
My 

Michelle Willoughby 2:36
prosthetic 

Joanne Presbury 2:36
prosthetic. 

Michelle Willoughby 2:37
company and a line physical therapy and started talking to people and found out that all pretty much in the same boat. We've got struggles and just don't know what to do them or the regular people with two legs that are just don't understand 

Rich Bennett 2:54
we're 

Michelle Willoughby 2:54
some of our our issues. So it's nice to get together and carry on make jokes, find things that we can do 

to have fun 

Rich Bennett 3:05
and 

Michelle Willoughby 3:06
not hold anybody else back because of our disabilities. 

Rich Bennett 3:12
Go ahead sunshine. 

Joanne Presbury 3:13
Well, I'm joined press very I am not trying to hold nobody back. I got to do what I got to do and I want very much to be involved in something with somebody like me. And to do other things and to prove that I can do it just because I'm like this don't mean it's not going to stop me. 

Rich Bennett 3:33
Right. 

Joanne Presbury 3:33
Right. I got to keep going. 

Rich Bennett 3:35
That now join in crank me if I'm wrong but the last time you were on didn't you tell me the next time you that you would you would be on you would promise me that you'd be riding 

Joanne Presbury 3:44
that bike. Yes, I'm gonna try. I got to get a bike first. 

Rich Bennett 3:47
Oh, all right. 

Joanne Presbury 3:49
So all right. 

So this and the 

Jonas Seeberg 3:53
weather coming off of winter. 

Joanne Presbury 3:54
And yeah, starting to get warm outside so 

Michelle Willoughby 3:57
I have a bike we'll take you and put you at the top of the hill and just let you go. 

Joanne Presbury 4:00
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 4:01
What the hell? 

Jonas Seeberg 4:04
like I'm telling you 

Rebecca Welsh 4:05
What? We are 

Jonas Seeberg 4:06
that's what they would do that that's what they do in the group. 

Michelle Willoughby 4:07
Yeah, that's what 

Rebecca Welsh 4:08
you 

Rich Bennett 4:09
put people on a bike and it's 

Michelle Willoughby 4:11
played, crash up, Derby, Whitney, mobility devices, you know, whatever we can find make life exciting. 

Rebecca Welsh 4:21
But 

Rich Bennett 4:21
oh, wow. 

Joanne Presbury 4:22
I want to be able to do anything with stuff like that. 

Rich Bennett 4:26
Just sounds like a 

Michelle Willoughby 4:27
fun. 

Rich Bennett 4:27
lot of 

Joanne Presbury 4:27
I know just because I lost the leg doesn't mean it should be able to stop people doing what I normally do it. I gotta keep going. 

Rebecca Welsh 4:35
We just do it differently. 

Joanne Presbury 4:36
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 4:39
Yeah. Yeah, I mean pushing people down the hill. I mean that's definitely the way you 

Rebecca Welsh 4:44
I 

Rich Bennett 4:44
mentioned. 

Rebecca Welsh 4:44
mean we also try to lift people up. You 

Michelle Willoughby 4:45
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 4:46
know, when 

Michelle Willoughby 4:46
When 

Rebecca Welsh 4:46
she 

Michelle Willoughby 4:47
she falls. 

Rich Bennett 4:47
cries. Oh. 

Rebecca Welsh 4:50
Crash thinga. 

Michelle Willoughby 4:50
We'll get on one side. I'll get on 

Rebecca Welsh 4:52
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 4:52
the other. 

Rebecca Welsh 4:53
yeah, we gotta. 

Rich Bennett 4:53
Pick her back up and push her down again, right? 

You 

had you couldn't use certain names with the group or something? 

Michelle Willoughby 5:04
So we try to, I tried to post some adventures. We found this nonprofit. called three blessings disabled adventures. And I was trying to post some of their adventures. They're free. They provide us with the equipment. They got these really cool four wheel all train like wheelchair type things. 

Rich Bennett 5:25
Right 

Michelle Willoughby 5:26
Yeah, we had so much fun going through streams and over hills. 

Joanne Presbury 5:30
I don't know about all I have a lot of fun. I lost his concentrate. I'll 

Michelle Willoughby 5:33
drive 

Joanne Presbury 5:33
I need 

Michelle Willoughby 5:34
you 

Joanne Presbury 5:34
to sit 

Michelle Willoughby 5:34
sitting 

Joanne Presbury 5:34
in the 

Michelle Willoughby 5:34
in the 

Joanne Presbury 5:34
back. 

Michelle Willoughby 5:34
back. 

But I kept trying to post it. And they kept kicking it out saying that we were posting offensive stuff. 

Rich Bennett 5:43
So what? 

Michelle Willoughby 5:43
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 5:44
yeah, we're not Facebook. Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 5:47
So yeah, we're trying to figure out how to get around that and the company themselves are trying to figure out what the hang up is. So yeah, that was a little bit of a, 

Rich Bennett 5:57
I don't understand what would be offensive. 

Michelle Willoughby 5:59
Oh, I don't know. 

Rebecca Welsh 6:01
You never know. I mean, it's, you know, 

Michelle Willoughby 6:05
maybe I just don't know how to work the parameters or something. I just 

Rebecca Welsh 6:08
I 

Michelle Willoughby 6:08
don't. 

Rebecca Welsh 6:08
tried posting it, and it didn't go through either. 

Michelle Willoughby 6:11
Yeah. It's so we um, violated 

Rich Bennett 6:13
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 6:13
community standards, or. 

Rich Bennett 6:15
And it could be of a picture. It could be of a video. It's words. It's so, I mean, I've had post taken down because he said it violated the same thing. I'm like, we're violated. 

Rebecca Welsh 6:30
Yeah, maybe we used the company's name and we weren't, we didn't have the 

Michelle Willoughby 6:33
Well, 

Rebecca Welsh 6:33
rights. 

Michelle Willoughby 6:33
no, because they said they can't even 

Rebecca Welsh 6:35
Really? 

Michelle Willoughby 6:35
post their stuff. 

Rebecca Welsh 6:37
Yeah. 

Joanne Presbury 6:37
I 

Rich Bennett 6:38
mean, because if you can tag a company, 

then, then you're fine. 

Rebecca Welsh 6:43
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 6:44
You know, and you did that. Well, it's a Facebook 

Rebecca Welsh 6:47
right? 

Rich Bennett 6:47
group, 

Rebecca Welsh 6:47
Right? The 

Rich Bennett 6:48
page. 

Michelle Willoughby 6:48
Yeah, we're, we're, we're, we made like a, it was a really private group. 

Rich Bennett 6:52
Right? 

Michelle Willoughby 6:52
We're where it was 

Joanne Presbury 6:53
by, by somebody 

Michelle Willoughby 6:54
Hey, but 

Joanne Presbury 6:54
only. 

Michelle Willoughby 6:54
I have opened it up to where you could find us on Facebook 

Rich Bennett 6:59
Okay. 

Michelle Willoughby 6:59
and then there's some questions and stuff that we like you to answer so that we can kind of 

Joanne Presbury 7:06
To 

Michelle Willoughby 7:06
try to. 

Joanne Presbury 7:06
meet 

Michelle Willoughby 7:06
people 

Joanne Presbury 7:07
out 

Michelle Willoughby 7:07
that are there with 

Jonas Seeberg 7:09
not 

Michelle Willoughby 7:09
so great intentions. 

Rich Bennett 7:10
And how many people you have in the group now? 

Michelle Willoughby 7:13
I don't know like 16, 

Rebecca Welsh 7:16
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 7:16
16, 

Rich Bennett 7:17
17, right? 

Michelle Willoughby 7:17
We've had a few at it recently. 

Rich Bennett 7:20
Hey, you guys are trying to find things where you could go out and do like with the, the three blessings. 

Michelle Willoughby 7:26
Yeah, I mean, 

Rebecca Welsh 7:27
anything. I mean, shown, I would, you know, like that, they have a kayaking and, you know, they do hiking motorcycle, not motorcycle, but the hand cycling. You know, they 

Michelle Willoughby 7:37
Ching. 

Rebecca Welsh 7:37
just, yeah, hunting, you know, they just, with that organization, there's just the opportunities. There's a lot of opportunity and they're looking for other things. And Michelle and I are going to help try to figure out and organize and stuff too. 

Rich Bennett 7:48
Did you find them? 

Michelle Willoughby 7:49
I came across them. I'm not even sure how I found them and they offer all this equipment for us to use it free of charge 

Rich Bennett 8:00
Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 8:01
for disabled people. It's adaptive equipment. They have adaptive kayaks. And they have regular kayaks, if you want to bring a family member or a friend with you that's, you know, not disabled. They've got those wheelchair things, which were really fun. They're looking into buying a pontoon boat so we could go fishing. They have this really cool, all terrain stand up wheelchair for hunting. 

Rich Bennett 8:28
A stand up wheelchair. 

Michelle Willoughby 8:30
It looks like a tank. It's got tank wheels. 

Rebecca Welsh 8:34
For people that their injuries are like paralysis, 

Rich Bennett 8:37
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 8:37
where they can't stand. So it actually gives them the ability to stand if they want and make it like, go back through the trails, like actually, like a walking feeling, but they're just upright and not just sitting there for a chair. 

Joanne Presbury 8:48
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 8:48
so they can go hunting in it and stuff like that, which is I don't

Rich Bennett 8:55
know, there's nothing 

Rebecca Welsh 8:55
Well, the gentleman, the gentleman that is or that his, that his nonprofit, is Malcolm, correct, and Malcolm is, 

Joanne Presbury 9:02
else. 

Rebecca Welsh 9:03
he's disabled. So, yeah. So he, I guess that's where he got the idea, I'm not speaking for him by no means, but I guess that's where he got the idea from. 

Rich Bennett 9:13
So has Jonas been on any of these adventures with you 

Rebecca Welsh 9:16
yet? 

Rich Bennett 9:16
guys

Jonas Seeberg 9:18
No, I just get videos. 

Joanne Presbury 9:23
Well, 

Rebecca Welsh 9:24
they had

Michelle Willoughby 9:25
eventually you'd come out. 

Joanne Presbury 9:25
I wouldn't mind doing it, but I don't know, 

Jonas Seeberg 9:28
I have. 

Joanne Presbury 9:28
I can't- I can't- I had to turn off his eyes if I could go. You know, you can turn. 

Rebecca Welsh 9:34
Well, the trails, they're- they color coordinator, like some of the 

Michelle Willoughby 9:37
pink. 

Rebecca Welsh 9:37
trails are 

Michelle Willoughby 9:38
So no. 

Rebecca Welsh 9:38
Was it pink purple and white and you just- You just follow that trail. 

Joanne Presbury 9:41
Oh, 

Michelle Willoughby 9:42
it's a bunch. It used to be a paintball place. 

Rich Bennett 9:46
Robin Hood paintball. 

Michelle Willoughby 9:47
Yes, but um, we- we had a tour guide. 

Jonas Seeberg 9:51
He- 

Michelle Willoughby 9:51
Poor guy. He was- he was on a bicycle trying to keep up 

Rebecca Welsh 9:56
he is us. 

Michelle Willoughby 9:57
with us or us trying not to run him over because he was going not going fast enough for me. I was trying to have fun. 

Rebecca Welsh 10:04
Sooner 

Joanne Presbury 10:04
or later, he 

Rebecca Welsh 10:05
stopped and was like, "You guys just go, we'll meet you up there" and we're 

Michelle Willoughby 10:07
"Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 10:07
like, 

Michelle Willoughby 10:08
yeah, yeah, and that's just- and then I had to go to the little 

Joanne Presbury 10:10
girls room and 

Michelle Willoughby 10:11
this over and that's when I was in a really big hurry and I 

Joanne Presbury 10:14
turn 

Michelle Willoughby 10:14
turned this corner. 

Joanne Presbury 10:16
That 

Michelle Willoughby 10:17
the- all the leaves made me kind of do a, you know, little 

Rebecca Welsh 10:22
was because 

Michelle Willoughby 10:22
spin-outs. 

Well, there was a rock under leaves didn't see 

Rebecca Welsh 10:28
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 10:28
it. 

Rebecca Welsh 10:29
there's a lot of those. 

Joanne Presbury 10:43
Yeah

, 

Rebecca Welsh 10:46
yeah, yeah, was 

Joanne Presbury 10:47
yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 10:47
a lot of fun 

Joanne Presbury 10:48
yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 10:48
and 

Joanne Presbury 10:48
There 

Rebecca Welsh 10:48
there are more than willing, like if you give them advance notice that you would like to do this, they're more than willing to 

Joanne Presbury 10:53
come 

Michelle Willoughby 10:55
out and 

Rebecca Welsh 10:55
let people come out. 

Rich Bennett 10:56
So it's for amputees, people that, like you said, 

Joanne Presbury 11:01
paralysis. 

Rich Bennett 11:02
Disabilities. 

Rebecca Welsh 11:02
Any type of disability you want to, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 11:04
wow. 

Michelle Willoughby 11:05
they're pretty amazing, 

Rebecca Welsh 11:06
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 11:06
I'm glad we found them and hopefully we can work with them more this summer and you know, kind of grow- help them grow. Grow a community while we also grow and find fun things to get into. You know, they've been very sweet. They offered to have us a bomb fire and we could take turns riding those carts and stuff. 

Rich Bennett 11:28
Not into the bonfire though. 

Michelle Willoughby 11:29
Not- 

Joanne Presbury 11:31
no, 

Michelle Willoughby 11:31
but we're building a ramp. 

Jonas Seeberg 11:34
Let's see them jumping the bonfire. 

Joanne Presbury 11:38
Yeah, yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 11:41
Fun 

Joanne Presbury 11:41
yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 11:41
times. Look, you don't lose two body parts and less than five years by playing it safe. 

Jonas Seeberg 11:46
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 11:48
Michelle, were you always this wild? 

Michelle Willoughby 11:50
I think so. 

Rich Bennett 11:53
I 

Michelle Willoughby 11:54
was a Baltimore city fireman for 25 years, so- 

Rich Bennett 11:58
25 

Michelle Willoughby 11:58
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 11:58
years. 

Michelle Willoughby 11:59
I retired when after this happened, but you know, it makes you kind of 

Rebecca Welsh 12:04
live 

Michelle Willoughby 12:04
like- 

Rebecca Welsh 12:05
like when I 

Michelle Willoughby 12:05
Do 

Rebecca Welsh 12:05
get. 

Rich Bennett 12:05
Do 

Michelle Willoughby 12:06
you 

Rich Bennett 12:06
you 

Michelle Willoughby 12:06
mind 

Rich Bennett 12:06
mind? 

Michelle Willoughby 12:06
sharing 

Joanne Presbury 12:06
what actually 

Rich Bennett 12:07
happened? 

Michelle Willoughby 12:08
With- with how I lost my leg. 

Joanne Presbury 12:11
I 

Michelle Willoughby 12:11
was hit by a drunk driver while I was on my motorcycle, so I was off duty and when first happened, I was still in really good shape. So, Jonas and them, I mean, they worked their butts off to help me train every day, get a leg that was perfect so that I could take the functional capacity test to get my job back because I was running out of time, and they were going to take my insurance. So it was a really stressful time. They helped me. We trained, we did some crazy stuff. I ended up passing this four hour long physical agility test. 

Rich Bennett 12:43
Wow. 

Michelle Willoughby 12:43
And I got my job back full duty. I knew that I did not want to go back to like fighting fire or- I mean, I'm not stupid. I'm a little crazy, but not completely stupid. So I just wanted to get enough time. I had three months to hit my 25-year mark, just three months. And I wasn't going to let this be stolen from me. 

Rich Bennett 13:08
Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 13:09
I went back for 

Joanne Presbury 13:10
So 

Michelle Willoughby 13:10
the three months to get my full pension and then I 

Joanne Presbury 13:15
had a 

Michelle Willoughby 13:16
and 

Joanne Presbury 13:16
surgery 

Michelle Willoughby 13:17
from there, it's just been surgery after surgery, and a little bit of downtime here and there. So I've had plenty of time sitting and 

Rebecca Welsh 13:27
thinking 

Michelle Willoughby 13:28
of ways to make not just my life better, but you know, hopefully other people's, because I know the loneliness I felt. you know after a time your friends stop visiting as much and don't invite you to do, you know, these things because you can't stand as long or walk as far 

Rich Bennett 13:47
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 13:48
and so it started to get really lonely and I'm a people person, you know and I love to go out and do things all the time and I was just thinking about myself and how other people in the same situation, you know, that may not have the personality to go out and say hey you want to be friends, you want to go hang out and do something crazy or fun so yeah that's how this all came about and I'm blessed by it because like me and Rebecca we go to concerts, you know, we're getting ready to go to if you want to go with us. 

Rebecca Welsh 14:19
ability 

Rich Bennett 14:19
The 

Rebecca Welsh 14:19
is expo. 

Michelle Willoughby 14:20
Yeah, the ability is expo, we're going to spend the night and check out all latest equipment in New Jersey and then, you know, Tom he's not here today but, you know, we hang out and we we bought scooters with seats and we go up on the trails and ride around, 

just try to live life and make it fun. 

Rich Bennett 14:42
Yeah, well first of all thank you for your time, you know, as a firefighter because I know that's something, I'm the first responders don't hear enough. Um, did you, have you gotten back on the motorcycle again, or... 

Michelle Willoughby 14:56
No, so when it first happened, I was helpant on getting back to the motorcycle because, you know, you always get off the horse that threw you off, you have to. But, you know, the struggles that I've had with this, you know, are a lot more than they were in my brain when first happened like I thought I'm going to get a leg and I'm just going to go on about life and everything's going to be fine and it's a lot more difficult 

Rich Bennett 15:20
Great. 

Michelle Willoughby 15:20
than I thought it was and, you know, it's a process getting legs to fit, you know, you're shrinking, you need to get a new leg, there's that in between. So there was a lot that I just didn't know and, um, now, weighing those benefits against 

Joanne Presbury 15:37
So 

Michelle Willoughby 15:37
the risk, 

Joanne Presbury 15:38
risk? 

Michelle Willoughby 15:39
you know, I'm kicking myself forever even, briding the motor, and I've seen some horrible motorcycle accidents. I've been, you know, the fire crew on the scene and you always just think it's not going to happen to me. I drive a fire truck. I, you know, I know how to drive, I watch for people, 

Rich Bennett 15:56
and you know, how to drive. 

Michelle Willoughby 15:57
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 15:58
Yeah. Yeah. And, 

Rich Bennett 16:00
well, we used to say the wheelers, they don't know what they're doing. 

Michelle Willoughby 16:03
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 16:04
And I'd say, and, you know, what Michelle's speaking of, like, the first 24 months for most amputees is a very trying 

Rich Bennett 16:10
time. 

Jonas Seeberg 16:12
you've, you know, you've lost your limb, your body's going through the healing process, you're trying to get into a socket and walk, you know, as you're walking on your prosthetic device, your legs, shrinks in size, like the residual limb in comparison to the socket. So it's, you're going through 

Joanne Presbury 16:27
Because 

Jonas Seeberg 16:27
like socket after socket after socket, trying to build a socket smaller to accommodate anatomical change. There's many different suspension systems. There's different liners systems, there's different foot systems, ankle systems, 

Joanne Presbury 16:40
like, and, 

Jonas Seeberg 16:41
and, and, and, and, and, and yeah, so Joanne, like, 

Joanne Presbury 16:43
you, you know, you've 

Jonas Seeberg 16:44
been through that. So it's, it's for most amputees at first 24 months, is a bear trying to contend with limb reduction, trying to maintain a comfortable socket fit. So for most, you don't maintain a comfortable socket fit because your limb shrinks, you're trying to add socks to take up the space between the smaller residual limb and the socket wall. And then you're trying to test different components. So one thing with prosthetics, it's not like purchasing a car like where you can go and test drive the car to see if you like the component or not. 

Rebecca Welsh 17:16
So 

Jonas Seeberg 17:17
unfortunately, you know, with, you know, with with the process, you know, of rehabilitation, it's okay, I'm going to try this form of suspension. So I'm going to try a pinlock or I'm going to try suction or vacuum. I'm going to like it or I'm not going to like it. And then I'm going to try different systems. So if you're looking at an amputee three, four, five years down the road, they've tried different suspension systems. They've tried different prosthetic feet. They know the formula that pretty much like that works for them and everybody's different. So there's there's no cookie cutter process to where the suspension system, this socket design, this these alignable components, this prosthetic foot is for everybody. Everybody has unique goals. Everybody lives life differently. And there's so many different components to choose from that we build and integrate into the prosthetic design. Like it really is one of a kind. 

Michelle Willoughby 18:08
It's 

Jonas Seeberg 18:08
So they're challenging times. They're lonely times. They're frustrating, angry times. 

Rich Bennett 18:12
yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 18:13
A lot of anger in the beginning. It's just it's the normal process. You 

Michelle Willoughby 18:17
poor 

Jonas Seeberg 18:17
know, and 

Michelle Willoughby 18:18
Jonas, I have cried and yelled and jumped up and down in his office. And it really had nothing to do with him. It was just where I was at in the process, which was another reason I wanted to make this group was because I didn't know. I didn't know all this. Like I wish somebody would have said so we've got people in our group that are at various different stages, you know, 12 years, some of years, five, you know, two. We've got a guy that's less than a year, another guy that's, you know, only a few months. And all these questions, and I wish somebody would have been there to say to me, hey, look, you know, you're not going to get your first leg and go run marathons because in my mind, if it was based on my physical ability, that's what I was going to do. And it was out of my control. So you know, that just takes the whole, everything to a new mental health level. You know, you're, you're dealing with so much change in your life. You know, who you are, you're trying 

Rebecca Welsh 19:18
your 

Michelle Willoughby 19:18
to recap 

Rebecca Welsh 19:19
identity. 

Michelle Willoughby 19:19
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 19:20
Yeah. You lose a sense of your identity, you know, definitely does. 

Rich Bennett 19:25
12 years for you, 

Rebecca Welsh 19:26
14. 

Rich Bennett 19:26
Rebecca. 14. So you're the veteran of the group. 

Rebecca Welsh 19:29
Emma? Emma? 

Jonas Seeberg 19:31
Yes, you are. 

Michelle Willoughby 19:31
Yes, 

Jonas Seeberg 19:33
I am. 

Rich Bennett 19:33
And this year, first time, boy 

Joanne Presbury 19:35
you 

Rich Bennett 19:35
can 

Joanne Presbury 19:36
share your 

Rebecca Welsh 19:36
Sure. 

Joanne Presbury 19:36
stories? 

Rebecca Welsh 19:37
I was on my way to work on 95. I got on in Avington. And 

Joanne Presbury 19:42
a 

Rebecca Welsh 19:43
guy hit me from behind and rolled me all the way across the highway. I was in the slow lane, and he passed me, he was trying to pass me off the shoulder, and he come around this way, but he clipped the back into my truck and rolled me all the way across. And he got up being in the median face in Southbound and it crushed both my ankles. 

Rich Bennett 20:00
Oh. 

Michelle Willoughby 20:01
And he was on 

Rebecca Welsh 20:02
Oh 

Michelle Willoughby 20:02
drugs. 

Rebecca Welsh 20:02
yeah, he had, he had so much drugs in the system, like, 

Joanne Presbury 20:06
all 

Rebecca Welsh 20:07
kinds of barricades, bar rituals. 

Rich Bennett 20:09
Wow. 

Rebecca Welsh 20:09
He was. He 

Joanne Presbury 20:11
He 

Rebecca Welsh 20:11
was. 

Joanne Presbury 20:11
was. 

Rebecca Welsh 20:12
He was. He was pretty good to go. He was perfect. 

Joanne Presbury 20:14
Nothing 

Rebecca Welsh 20:14
wrong with him. He actually put him right in 

Michelle Willoughby 20:17
wrong with him. Nothing 

Rebecca Welsh 20:17
the next room next to, in the hospital. 

Rich Bennett 20:19
Are 

Rebecca Welsh 20:19
serious? 

Rich Bennett 20:19
you 

Rebecca Welsh 20:20
And my brother. My brother was gonna tear him up. 

Rich Bennett 20:22
Oh, I bet. 

Rebecca Welsh 20:23
Yeah, well, he was waiting for me to die. 

Jonas Seeberg 20:26
She 

Rebecca Welsh 20:26
would just die. I can leave and my brother was. 

Michelle Willoughby 20:28
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 20:28
get out of 

Jonas Seeberg 20:29
here 

Rebecca Welsh 20:29
And 

Jonas Seeberg 20:29
anyway. 

Rebecca Welsh 20:29
my brother told that copy. But get him out. Oh, yeah, he's gonna. You gang him up. Yeah, it was bad. 

Michelle Willoughby 20:36
And, you know, and that's just a whole nother mental thing that you struggle with is not being bitter and being 

Rebecca Welsh 20:42
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 20:42
angry and wanting, you know, it's hard. 

Rebecca Welsh 20:45
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I cried every day. Every day, for over a year, I mean, because it just, you know, I mean, I wouldn't do in front of everybody like you being a shower because you're looking at yourself and you're whole, you know, because me and the girls would go, I have two daughters and we would go to the beach every week, not every weekend. But we'd constantly, you know, they'd go 

Joanne Presbury 21:03
to the beach or 

Rebecca Welsh 21:04
go to the beach. We'd just be out doing 

Joanne Presbury 21:05
you 

Rebecca Welsh 21:06
something, 

Joanne Presbury 21:06
know, 

Rebecca Welsh 21:06
and to have your life just come to an a complete abrupt just, and then you're looking at yourself in a mirror. I mean, I didn't even want to look at myself. I still don't want to look at myself. You know, it's just not, it's not who you, how you are or who you were, you know, but you are still who you are, but you just don't look the same way. And that's that's one of the biggest battles is just your identity, 

Michelle Willoughby 21:28
you know, figuring out 

Rebecca Welsh 21:29
who you are now. 

Rich Bennett 21:30
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 21:30
You know, 

Rich Bennett 21:31
so, and when did this group start? 

Michelle Willoughby 21:34
Um, last year, 

Rebecca Welsh 21:36
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 21:36
Last year. So you, I mean, you weren't in no groups or support 

Rebecca Welsh 21:41
anything. 

Rich Bennett 21:41
systems or 

Rebecca Welsh 21:42
I never had no. 

Rich Bennett 21:43
So how much of a difference has this made for you? 

Rebecca Welsh 21:47
I mean, it's I mean, it's good. I mean, you know, we talk 

Jonas Seeberg 21:51
made 

Rebecca Welsh 21:51
all the time. 

Jonas Seeberg 21:52
friendships. 

Rebecca Welsh 21:52
You know, I made friends and it's nice to have, you know, to have somebody to understand what you're going through 

Rich Bennett 21:56
Right. 

Rebecca Welsh 21:56
if you're complaining about this or complaining about that. So it makes it nice. You know, 

Michelle Willoughby 21:59
she's 

Rebecca Welsh 21:59
and if 

Michelle Willoughby 21:59
so far along now that, you know, she's kind of, you know, gotten her life, you know, it's nice to have other people in her life that, you know, can understand and relate, but, you know, she's, she's so far along that she was. yeah, yeah. Build a life, probably starting out 

Rebecca Welsh 22:16
You know, yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 22:16
feeling very alone. 

Rebecca Welsh 22:17
Yeah, I was, yeah, yeah, you know, because. 

Joanne Presbury 22:21
But you know, well, I don't think I ever, I lost my legs and stuff to diabetes, but the day I came home from a hospital, I was sitting in the wheelchair and looking out of the window and I kept going and saying to myself, this is not going to be me sitting in that 

Rebecca Welsh 22:35
wheelchair, 

Joanne Presbury 22:35
but I never, in my mind, thought that I had Jonas even though I was seeing him for my other leg, never thought in my mind that first saving the, by having the prosthetic, that never did come to my mind. 

Rebecca Welsh 22:47
Yeah. 

Joanne Presbury 22:48
But with Jonas helping me with that, everything changed. I mean, listening to y'all too I don't seem like I ever went that way. 

Michelle Willoughby 22:55
No, well, you know, 

Rich Bennett 22:57
are, 

Michelle Willoughby 22:57
these 

Rich Bennett 22:57
it could be, 

Jonas Seeberg 22:58
it 

Rich Bennett 22:59
was 

Joanne Presbury 22:59
action. 

Rich Bennett 22:59
an 

Jonas Seeberg 23:01
the trauma. 

Michelle Willoughby 23:02
It was just life changing overnight. Like, you know, there was no preparing for it. And, you know, obviously, 

Rebecca Welsh 23:08
the way a little, 

Rich Bennett 23:08
yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 23:09
that frame of mind 

Joanne Presbury 23:10
is not where we stay. We wanted to say 

Michelle Willoughby 23:13
what 

Joanne Presbury 23:13
it's 

Michelle Willoughby 23:14
we were going 

Rebecca Welsh 23:14
at 

Michelle Willoughby 23:14
through 

Rebecca Welsh 23:15
that time. 

Michelle Willoughby 23:15
And, you know, like, you I'm looking out the door and I'm like, okay, how am I going to make this different? How am I going to make that better? And one of the ways I thought of doing that was surrounding myself by other people that could understand, relate and, you know, hobble to the fishing spot where, you 

Rebecca Welsh 23:34
know, a lot of things with me like I didn't just lose one leg. I lost 

Joanne Presbury 23:37
both. I mean, 

Rebecca Welsh 23:39
I say it all the time. I mean, I just wish I had at least one of my good leg, you know, because it would make things so much better. 

Joanne Presbury 23:44
Right? 

Rebecca Welsh 23:45
It's difficult to try to get your balance right and I'm so sensitive to everything, you know, with my my limbs poor Jonas. I give him my credit, because he's he tries. 

Michelle Willoughby 23:55
Yeah, he he puts 

Rebecca Welsh 23:56
us. 

Michelle Willoughby 23:56
up with 

Rebecca Welsh 23:57
Yeah, he does, you know. 

Rich Bennett 23:59
So did you find him right away? 

Rebecca Welsh 24:02
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 24:03
yeah. He did us 

Rebecca Welsh 24:05
very first ones I met 

Jonas Seeberg 24:06
it. 

Rebecca Welsh 24:06
with on 

Jonas Seeberg 24:06
Mm hmm. 

Michelle Willoughby 24:08
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Jonas is a therapist. 

Rebecca Welsh 24:10
Yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 24:11
that you said it right? 

Michelle Willoughby 24:13
I 

Jonas Seeberg 24:13
That's 

Michelle Willoughby 24:13
didn't. 

Jonas Seeberg 24:13
it. You got it. Go ahead. say it 

Rich Bennett 24:15
Was 

Jonas Seeberg 24:15
rich. What is it? What am I 

Michelle Willoughby 24:15
Practiced 

Jonas Seeberg 24:16
rich? 

Michelle Willoughby 24:17
prostitutes 

Rich Bennett 24:18
prostitutes prostitutes 

Michelle Willoughby 24:19
prostitutes 

Rich Bennett 24:21
prostitutes 

Jonas Seeberg 24:22
Yes, there you go. 

Joanne Presbury 24:22
prostitutes prostitutes. 

Jonas Seeberg 24:23
You got it rich. Good job. 

Rich Bennett 24:24
Dana sit there laughing her 

Rebecca Welsh 24:27
tail. 

Rich Bennett 24:28
Thanks. Yeah. You know what? Next 

Jonas Seeberg 24:30
time we 

Rich Bennett 24:30
get you why? Yes, we are. You 

Jonas Seeberg 24:33
Yeah. And they, you know, you would ask if I, you know, bent any other, you know, get 

Rich Bennett 24:38
are. 

Jonas Seeberg 24:38
together 

Rich Bennett 24:38
Mm 

Jonas Seeberg 24:39
and I did go to one. So they invited me. They were all meeting at a restaurant. Came in. There's like guys, I 

Rich Bennett 24:46
hmm. 

Jonas Seeberg 24:46
mean, I mean, it 

Michelle Willoughby 24:47
We 

Jonas Seeberg 24:47
was 

Michelle Willoughby 24:47
were 

Jonas Seeberg 24:47
like 

Michelle Willoughby 24:47
taught. 

Rich Bennett 24:48
like a dozen. Oh, 

Jonas Seeberg 24:48
probably 

Joanne Presbury 24:48
yes. 

Jonas Seeberg 24:49
Yeah, probably, probably a dozen people like there at like Applebee's and Aberdeen. And it was just sitting down having the dinner together. It's all in yeah. 

Joanne Presbury 24:57
there. 

Jonas Seeberg 24:57
I think after that then, ended up going to Tom's house, right? And like some 

Michelle Willoughby 25:00
Yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 25:00
people, 

Michelle Willoughby 25:01
yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 25:01
you know, broke off. So it's like they're going out to, you know, grab a bite together. They're going to each other's homes. So 

Michelle Willoughby 25:07
You know, and the thing is is we don't try to be like Debbie down or 

Rich Bennett 25:11
right. 

Michelle Willoughby 25:11
anything, you know, we, we want to have fun. And it's really cool to meet other people. We can understand the struggles. You know, somebody might say, you know, I'm afraid to drive in a car anymore. I get that. I get that. 

Rich Bennett 25:24
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 25:24
You know, and for me, I went and did therapy, you know, because I had PTSD. And some people aren't even aware that there's a 

that, you know, mental health issue. And they kind of accept that as a way of life. They don't even realize that it's not, it doesn't have to be that way. 

Rebecca Welsh 25:48
for 

Michelle Willoughby 25:48
So like we help each other in so many ways, just, 

Rebecca Welsh 25:53
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 25:53
how's the youngest person in your 

Joanne Presbury 25:55
group? 

Rich Bennett 25:56
Do you know? 

Rebecca Welsh 25:57
Is it Christina? 

Michelle Willoughby 25:59
Oh, yeah. I'm going to say she's in her 30s. No, she might be 40. 

Rebecca Welsh 26:03
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 26:05
No, no, no, no. Then there's their Sean. Oh, yeah, like he's young. So many, so many these people were just, 

Rebecca Welsh 26:14
we're just meetings. I haven't met him yet. 

Michelle Willoughby 26:16
Yeah. Yeah. Well, 

Rich Bennett 26:18
I'm sure most of the 

Joanne Presbury 26:20
in the group, 

Rich Bennett 26:20
people you guys know from real life, 

Michelle Willoughby 26:24
So there's a lot of them. I mean, there's one guy that I met at Wala. There's another guy that Tom at Home Depot. 

Rich Bennett 26:33
okay. 

Michelle Willoughby 26:33
Sean, he does come there. I've got to meet him a couple of times in talk. And you know, he interacts with us on Facebook and we've talked on the phone. So some of them, like I've talked to him, never seen him person yet. And then the ones that are a little more closer, you know, we try to get together. We went to dinner a couple of times. We had a bomb fire and we went and we went to a couple of concerts and a plot. But no, it was another concert and just stuff, you know, 

Rich Bennett 27:04
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 27:05
and in that group, you know, you meet somebody that you might really bond with. 

Rich Bennett 27:10
And so when you started, you say that you weren't looking for a support group. 

Michelle Willoughby 27:16
Now, 

Rebecca Welsh 27:17
just looking for to get out and do 

Rich Bennett 27:18
Did 

Rebecca Welsh 27:18
things. 

Rich Bennett 27:18
you ever think that you would be starting one? Because technically that's what you are. You are support. 

Michelle Willoughby 27:24
And we are, we are, but it's, you know, and that was what's important talk. Most of us in the because we don't want to sit around and like just talk about how miserable 

Rebecca Welsh 27:36
right. 

Michelle Willoughby 27:36
life 

Rich Bennett 27:36
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 27:36
is like. 

Rebecca Welsh 27:37
How 

Michelle Willoughby 27:38
do we fix this? What can we 

Rich Bennett 27:40
Live 

Michelle Willoughby 27:40
do? To 

Rich Bennett 27:40
life. 

Michelle Willoughby 27:40
make it better. Right. 

Rebecca Welsh 27:41
That's why it is. And see, we're just trying to get it out there because it's like, a lot of people don't 

Joanne Presbury 27:47
You 

Rebecca Welsh 27:47
know-- 

Joanne Presbury 27:47
know, there is 

Rebecca Welsh 27:47
a group. So then when we're out in public and people are like, oh, then you tell them, then they're like, oh, I never know about it. I never heard about it. I know there's a couple of people in Havid Greece. And we don't know. One of our friends, Tom, he ended losing his arm and his leg over the summer. You heard of that in the Sais Guajana. And there was one or two ladies that was in Havid Greece that was trying to reach out to our group. But the post 

Michelle Willoughby 28:14
post. 

Rebecca Welsh 28:15
got deleted. So we weren't able to reach out to her. But she was definitely trying to find something I 

Rich Bennett 28:19
That 

Rebecca Welsh 28:19
hope to get involved 

Rich Bennett 28:20
in the lead. Delete it? 

Rebecca Welsh 28:21
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 28:21
I 

Rebecca Welsh 28:21
somebody 

Rich Bennett 28:21
know when-- 

Rebecca Welsh 28:21
deleted it. 

Rich Bennett 28:22
Lost that, lost both of them, and put that post-- somebody put that 

Rebecca Welsh 28:26
I 

Rich Bennett 28:26
post-- 

Michelle Willoughby 28:26
did. Yeah, she did. 

Jonas Seeberg 28:27
Yeah, they have each other's backs, Rich. Like when Tom went over and lost his arm and his leg, Rebecca was all over it. So she ended up posting on Facebook. And it 

Rebecca Welsh 28:36
like blew 

Jonas Seeberg 28:38
off. It blew 

Rich Bennett 28:39
off. People were going out in their boats looking-- 

Jonas Seeberg 28:41
Mm-hmm. I 

Rich Bennett 28:42
wasn't even-- State 

Jonas Seeberg 28:44
was involved. 

Joanne Presbury 28:45
then-- 

Jonas Seeberg 28:45
And 

Joanne Presbury 28:46
They 

Michelle Willoughby 28:46
had sonar, 

Jonas Seeberg 28:47
scuba diaries. 

Rebecca Welsh 28:48
Oh, yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 28:49
So in ours, Drone's 

Michelle Willoughby 28:50
groups of scuba divers. 

Jonas Seeberg 28:51
Yeah, like state police, DNR. Like they had-- They were doing fine. 

Michelle Willoughby 28:56
Now? No, 

Joanne Presbury 28:58
No. [INAUDIBLE] 

Michelle Willoughby 28:58
but it took off. I mean, it gained traction. He had a lot of help, unfortunately, it didn't. 

Jonas Seeberg 29:06
We have each other's backs. 

Michelle Willoughby 29:07
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 29:08
And this is probably a question for you with-- in a case like that with Tom, can he get insurance for that? How is that-- 

Michelle Willoughby 29:17
That was the first thing I asked 

Rebecca Welsh 29:18
talking 

Michelle Willoughby 29:18
him, I'm 

Jonas Seeberg 29:18
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 29:19
about. 

Michelle Willoughby 29:19
Please tell me you could insure that or something. I don't 

Jonas Seeberg 29:22
Very 

Michelle Willoughby 29:23
know, but 

Jonas Seeberg 29:23
expensive. I've 

Michelle Willoughby 29:23
something-- 

Jonas Seeberg 29:23
heard-- yeah, the insurance is very expensive. 

Rich Bennett 29:26
OK. 

Jonas Seeberg 29:26
But he was able to get insurance coverage for replacements. So we're still in that process. So since you saw him last, the Aussie when he graded arm that he has, he's doing the same thing in his leg. So now he's going through the healing process so we can have a skeletal 

Rich Bennett 29:47
connect. Wow. 

Jonas Seeberg 29:48
So he's, yes, he's been laid out for a while. So he's going stir crazy. He's always outdoors and-- 

Rich Bennett 29:54
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 29:55
know, these processes of getting the insurance, like getting all the paperwork, getting the approval, getting these 

Joanne Presbury 30:00
You 

Jonas Seeberg 30:01
compassion and exemptions, because like his arm still is an 

Joanne Presbury 30:04
approved. 

Jonas Seeberg 30:04
FDA We're having to go through extra steps. So right now, like we're waiting for approval. So we can order the component in from Sweden to bring it into the US, following FDA guidelines. So right now, we have a hold up on getting his arm, because we can't get the coupler from Sweden until all of the paperwork is processed. 

Michelle Willoughby 30:23
And it's 

Jonas Seeberg 30:23
So 

Michelle Willoughby 30:24
been. 

Jonas Seeberg 30:24
it's out of our hands. 

Michelle Willoughby 30:25
it's 

Jonas Seeberg 30:25
So 

Michelle Willoughby 30:25
been like five 

Jonas Seeberg 30:26
It's 

Michelle Willoughby 30:26
months. 

Jonas Seeberg 30:28
awaiting-- it's a waiting 

Rich Bennett 30:28
Oh, 

Jonas Seeberg 30:28
game. 

Rich Bennett 30:28
I know he's going with bollis. 

Rebecca Welsh 30:29
Oh, he 

Jonas Seeberg 30:30
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 30:30
is. 

Michelle Willoughby 30:30
Unfortunately, I haven't gotten over there as much as I would like to. But we do talk to him regularly. Like, he'll call him, I call him. I know some of the other guys have reached out to him. We try to keep in touch, 

Jonas Seeberg 30:45
right 

Michelle Willoughby 30:45
because it's 

Jonas Seeberg 30:45
to him. 

Rich Bennett 30:46
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 30:47
And even in appointments, like I'm working with you, that was Rebecca. 

Michelle Willoughby 30:50
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 30:50
Yeah. John. John, that was-- that's like they're definitely connected. So in communication 

Joanne Presbury 30:55
yeah. [INAUDIBLE] What if 

Jonas Seeberg 30:55
with 

Rebecca Welsh 30:55
the 

Jonas Seeberg 30:55
[INAUDIBLE] Yeah. Be sure to 

Joanne Presbury 30:56
you got to get him back home with everything? 

Rich Bennett 30:58
[INAUDIBLE] 

Rebecca Welsh 30:58
Oh, 

Joanne Presbury 30:58
Oh, yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 30:59
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:59
Oh, I'm 

Jonas Seeberg 31:00
I'm 

Rich Bennett 31:00
sure 

Jonas Seeberg 31:00
sure he 

Rich Bennett 31:00
he 

Jonas Seeberg 31:00
will, 

Rich Bennett 31:00
will. 

Jonas Seeberg 31:01
yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 31:04
Oh, 

Joanne Presbury 31:04
I think 

Michelle Willoughby 31:04
I mean, 

Joanne Presbury 31:05
he's going 

Michelle Willoughby 31:05
to say he's going to talk to him. 

Rich Bennett 31:06
Oh, my God. It was like, yeah, it was like I was listening to a motivational speaker. It just-- I was floored. 

Michelle Willoughby 31:15
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:16
Yeah. You're 

Jonas Seeberg 31:16
what 

Rich Bennett 31:16
just saying, 

Jonas Seeberg 31:17
are 

Michelle Willoughby 31:17
you doing? 

Rich Bennett 31:18
I mean, you-- 

Joanne Presbury 31:20
I mean, you-- I-- in all 

Rich Bennett 31:21
honesty, and I 

Joanne Presbury 31:21
you-- 

Rich Bennett 31:21
told 

Joanne Presbury 31:22
I'm 

Rich Bennett 31:22
just-- I 

Joanne Presbury 31:22
I think I-- I think I always look 

Rich Bennett 31:24
think-- 

Joanne Presbury 31:24
at it-- 

Rich Bennett 31:24
I'm speaking-- especially schools and everything. 

Michelle Willoughby 31:28
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 31:28
I mean, yeah, we 

Michelle Willoughby 31:29
Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 31:29
good. 

Michelle Willoughby 31:29
and you know, I mean, we've talked about the possibility of doing many things because there is such a need. 

Rich Bennett 31:36
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 31:37
And it's hard to keep a good frame of mind. And you need that support for that, too. To keep a positive outlook and 

Rebecca Welsh 31:45
Mm-hmm. 

Michelle Willoughby 31:46
share your strengths and hopes with each other. 

Joanne Presbury 31:49
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 31:49
Somebody 

Joanne Presbury 31:49
we 

Michelle Willoughby 31:50
that's coming in, brand new, that doesn't have a prosthetic leg yet. All they see is their life is ended. 

Rebecca Welsh 31:55
good. Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 31:56
But through involvement with all of us. And they say, oh, she's got a job. And she's going out doing this. And that, it gives hope, too. 

Rebecca Welsh 32:05
Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 32:06
So what-- 

Do you guys 

Joanne Presbury 32:10
like to see it 

Rich Bennett 32:12
happen? It's been 

Rebecca Welsh 32:12
the-- 

Rich Bennett 32:13
with 

Joanne Presbury 32:13
Ready? as 

Rebecca Welsh 32:15
As far people together to get them out, you know, we're trying 

Michelle Willoughby 32:18
getting 

Rebecca Welsh 32:19
to get people out to feel like they're not just stuck in their house, you know. 

Rich Bennett 32:22
Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 32:22
Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 32:23
make them feel alive again, not just. 

Michelle Willoughby 32:25
And it gives each one of us, I think, a sense of purpose when you're helping somebody else through those hard times, and we do, we do do that. We call each other, you know, we try to encourage each other. So yeah, it gives us a sense of purpose. And I'd love to do things like take some type of adaptive camping trip together. That could be fun. Crash up Derby with the mobile scooter, 

Rebecca Welsh 32:50
you know? 

Rich Bennett 32:50
Have you--

Jonas Seeberg 32:51
Perry 

Rich Bennett 32:52
Point, the VA hospital? 

Rebecca Welsh 32:54
No. 

Rich Bennett 32:54
'Cause I'm sure, well, we know there's a lot of veterans that are in here. 

Michelle Willoughby 32:57
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 32:58
I'm sure there's probably a lot there, and if they can't help even check, which is the nonprofit, which is out of there as well. I 

Joanne Presbury 33:07
God, 

Rich Bennett 33:07
mean, 

Rebecca Welsh 33:08
got 

Rich Bennett 33:08
'cause what you 

Rebecca Welsh 33:08
to 

Michelle Willoughby 33:08
is, 

Rebecca Welsh 33:08
do 

Michelle Willoughby 33:09
it's awesome. 

Jonas Seeberg 33:10
Yeah. 

Yeah, help each other. 

Rich Bennett 33:12
And pushing people down to Hill. 

Michelle Willoughby 33:14
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 33:15
Yeah. (laughing)

Michelle Willoughby 33:16
Oh, Joey. 

Joanne Presbury 33:17
Oh, yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 33:18
But it's the, like the, (mumbles) You know, as they're living life together, you have amputees going through like different states of prosthetic rehabilitation process, you know? So, you know, Joanne's been through, he's had a lot of, (mumbles) Michael Chan, she's had her up. She's, 

Joanne Presbury 33:36
she is one in 

Jonas Seeberg 33:37
the group that would, you know, be the motivator, you know? Like, you know, like, I don't want to, 

Joanne Presbury 33:43
(mumbles) 

Jonas Seeberg 33:44
excuses, you just get up and you do it, you know? That was her. 

Joanne Presbury 33:46
(mumbles)

I 

Jonas Seeberg 33:47
That's 

Joanne Presbury 33:47
love 

Jonas Seeberg 33:47
what 

Joanne Presbury 33:47
that. 

Jonas Seeberg 33:47
she did. That's, you know, so you have these different personalities to really pour into somebody who's going through the process for the first time, 'cause it's so scary. You don't know the future. You don't know what it holds, but if you have friends like who have been through it, and then you're talking one-on-one, 

Rich Bennett 34:06
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 34:06
it's huge. You know, so you're getting different angles and different perspectives from friends, like helping to get you through that rehabilitation process, like, just really motivating each other. And sometimes having those hard talks, like you would be that hard talk. Like, I don't want to hear it, you know? 

Joanne Presbury 34:23
'Cause my neighbor, he just lost his, like they finished the rest of it yesterday. And I'm gonna go by you see him at the hospital, and then I told him that I'm there for him. 

Rich Bennett 34:32
Right. 

Joanne Presbury 34:33
You know, I told his son-in-law, I've been there and done that, and I can do what I can to help him, and make him understand what we 

Michelle Willoughby 34:41
were 

Joanne Presbury 34:41
doing. I mean, he's gotta learn to-

Rich Bennett 34:44
No, he's not alone. 

Joanne Presbury 34:45
Right, 

Rich Bennett 34:45
yeah. 

Joanne Presbury 34:45
yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 34:46
big 

Rich Bennett 34:46
Which is the 

Jonas Seeberg 34:46
one? 

Michelle Willoughby 34:47
I mean, sadly, you know, a lot of people do get bitter and angry, and they choose to stay that way. And, you know-

Joanne Presbury 34:54
But I wasn't like that. 

Michelle Willoughby 34:56
No, I'm not 

Joanne Presbury 34:57
like that. 

I was a turn I had to. I wasn't sitting in that wheelchair. I had to get up and do it. And like, I do stuff on my own. I don't want nobody helping me. My sister always said, no, I don't want you to do it. Don't tell me I can't do this. 

Rich Bennett 35:09
Right. 

Joanne Presbury 35:09
right. 

Don't 

Rebecca Welsh 35:09
Oh yeah, that's 

Joanne Presbury 35:10
tell me, I'm gonna do it. 

Michelle Willoughby 35:11
That's right, it's me nuts. 

Joanne Presbury 35:12
Like, Marrengey, I take Marrengey from Stereo. I was like, oh, he told me, oh, you needed let somebody know you going up in there. No, I could do it myself! 

Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 35:21
People got 

Rebecca Welsh 35:22
it. 

Yeah. 

Joanne Presbury 35:24
No, I want to do it myself. 

got it. 

No, I 

Rich Bennett 35:29
People 

Joanne Presbury 35:29
can't. 

No. 

Rebecca Welsh 35:30
see. 

Rich Bennett 35:30
I It's you but it 

Jonas Seeberg 35:32
is with 

Rich Bennett 35:33
all the amputees. 

Rebecca Welsh 35:34
Your leg's not over. 

Rich Bennett 35:35
And help, you're gonna ask for help. 

Playing it simple. And I think as of any, well, there are some people that won't 

Joanne Presbury 35:43
it. 

Rich Bennett 35:43
ask for help by 

Joanne Presbury 35:44
I 

Michelle Willoughby 35:44
was kind of, the, you know, that hardest thing for me to do 

Rich Bennett 35:48
was 

Michelle Willoughby 35:48
in life was to ask for help. And now I need help with some things, you know, like cleaning my house. Oh. (laughing)

Joanne Presbury 35:55
I do, I do, I do all that on my own. If I could, if there's something down low, I 

Michelle Willoughby 36:01
Oh, 

Joanne Presbury 36:01
get on the floor, and I do it, 'cause every time when I'm on the floor and I think I said, "How am I gonna get back up?" 

Michelle Willoughby 36:09
(laughing) 

Joanne Presbury 36:09
I always think about how Michelle told me how to get up and that's how I do it, I do it on my own. 

Michelle Willoughby 36:15
I, you know, yeah, I do, too, but. 

Joanne Presbury 36:17
Can I clean the house by myself? 

Michelle Willoughby 36:18
Clean my house all the way to school. No, I'm just joking. 

Joanne Presbury 36:21
I know, I do that myself. 

Rich Bennett 36:22
(laughing) 

Joanne Presbury 36:23
I do all that myself. 

Rich Bennett 36:25
So, 

Jonas Seeberg 36:26
do you have a strong, do you have a strong independent wife, Rodney? 

Joanne Presbury 36:32
Yeah, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the asshole. 

Yeah. (laughing)

Jonas Seeberg 36:35
(laughing) 

Joanne Presbury 36:35
It's no taking, I did the glory. ( 

Rebecca Welsh 36:38
(laughing) 

Rich Bennett 36:40
pickled voice talking indistinctly ) (laughing)

some, 

Jonas Seeberg 36:41
What are 

Rich Bennett 36:42
what are some of the 

Joanne Presbury 36:42
things you guys wanna 

Rich Bennett 36:43
group 

Jonas Seeberg 36:43
do with the 

Rich Bennett 36:43
you haven't been 

Joanne Presbury 36:44
do? 

Rich Bennett 36:44
able to 

Rebecca Welsh 36:46
I mean, we're gonna go, the camp in the kayak, you know? 

Michelle Willoughby 36:48
Yeah, we kicked around like a non-profit to try to maybe raise funds because like some of the amputees, well most of the amputees are barely getting by because they can't work. You know, they've been denied by Social Security Disability or they're getting bare minimum. So like, you know, we thought about trying to find a way to raise money so that we could do little group activities. You know, like, nothing fancy, maybe a little camping trip. You know, but not everybody can afford to do that. And I wish I had the money that I could pay for everybody to do it. But you know, it'd be nice if we could all go as a group to a concert. But you know, concert tickets are expensive. Not everybody's got it. 

Joanne Presbury 37:34
you know, some things that I think about like go out in my garage, if my son's got his music, I go out there and try to dance, I like that. I don't like dancing, but I get out there and I try to dance. This out there and sway myself back and cross the floor 

outside, you know, especially line dance. I'm trying to love this line. I'm 

Michelle Willoughby 37:54
And 

Joanne Presbury 37:55
trying to do that. 

Michelle Willoughby 37:55
And that's the other thing we were working with, hopefully Michelle in the future is like, I would love to do an adaptive line dance class at 

Rich Bennett 38:03
Ooh. 

Michelle Willoughby 38:04
the studio. Yeah, it was so much fun. Now I'll go out and I will dance, you know, I'll dance and I'll do the cha cha slide. Yeah, I have a little bit of problems with the criss cross and the turn it around. (laughing) But luckily I'm not afraid of making a fool of myself. And I just have a good time with it 

Rich Bennett 38:23
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 38:23
and it's challenging. And I'll send Michelle videos. I'm like, look, I'm doing PT out on the dance floor and some, you know. 

Rich Bennett 38:30
(laughing) 

Michelle Willoughby 38:31
Restaurant. 

Rich Bennett 38:32
(laughing) 

Jonas Seeberg 38:33
You're not bashful. 

Michelle Willoughby 38:34
No, 

Jonas Seeberg 38:37
no. (laughing) 

Michelle Willoughby 38:38
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 38:38
What? 

Joanne Presbury 38:41
Was I get started? I'm good. 

Rich Bennett 38:43
Okay. 

Jonas Seeberg 38:45
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 38:45
country line dance. Say night, 

Joanne Presbury 38:47
Okay. 

Michelle Willoughby 38:47
you know, go, 

Joanne Presbury 38:49
Okay. 

Michelle Willoughby 38:49
yeah. And, you know, and so that's the thing, you know, like I had no idea that she had a desire to do 

Joanne Presbury 38:56
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 38:56
some 

Joanne Presbury 38:56
A 

Michelle Willoughby 38:56
line 

Joanne Presbury 38:57
dancing. I'll try to dance, that goes somewhere when nobody's watching me and I'll dance. 

Michelle Willoughby 39:00
But you know, like I'm not afraid to do it out in public. But how cool is it for somebody who's a little less, you know, little less outgoing. Now you got a partner, we can go out there and make fools of ourselves and just have a good time with 

Joanne Presbury 39:13
it and if

Michelle Willoughby 39:14
we fall over we laugh, you know. You're not alone, you're not alone. 

Rich Bennett 39:20
Listen to the conversations with Rich Bennett. We'll be right back. 

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Michelle Willoughby 40:48
Time, energy. 

Rebecca Welsh 40:49
Well, we was looking up the applications and stuff 'cause we were looking, you know, seeing which we would have to fill out and everything. And then when we went down to three blessings down there and we had mentioned that that's what we wanted to do too. And they're like, well, why don't you guys just join with us? You know, and we could help you and you could help us. 

Michelle Willoughby 41:05
Yeah, we're gonna try to figure all that out soon. We've had a meeting. 

Rich Bennett 41:09
Both ways. 

Rebecca Welsh 41:11
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 41:11
Yeah, I mean, I would still work with them, but the thing 

Joanne Presbury 41:15
what 

Rich Bennett 41:15
is, 

Joanne Presbury 41:16
you guys 

Rich Bennett 41:16
are doing, and 

Jonas Seeberg 41:19
is 

Rich Bennett 41:19
Jeremy 

Jonas Seeberg 41:19
carving from--

Joanne Presbury 41:19
know. 

I 

Rich Bennett 41:20
I 

Joanne Presbury 41:20
don't 

Rich Bennett 41:20
don't 

Joanne Presbury 41:20
know. 

Rich Bennett 41:21
Any groups out there, like this, where there are, you know, amputees are helping each other. 

Michelle Willoughby 41:28
Wait, there is the 

Jonas Seeberg 41:29
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 41:29
amp--

Jonas Seeberg 41:29
there's a lot of--

Rebecca Welsh 41:31
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 41:32
Yeah. 

Yeah, that's the biggest--

That's national. 

Yeah, and then local like you do have like amputee support groups like in hospitals. You know are they'll meet together But as far as like amputees living life together. Yeah, that's 

Rich Bennett 41:44
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 41:44
you know just it's if this is unique 

Rich Bennett 41:47
[BLANK_AUDIO] 

Where 

your 

Joanne Presbury 41:53
mission 

Rich Bennett 41:53
your 

I 

Rebecca Welsh 41:56
mean 

Rich Bennett 41:57
you 

Joanne Presbury 41:57
that 

Rich Bennett 41:57
could do The groups together for Camping or whatever the other thing At this before 

That people 

you know is transportation 

Michelle Willoughby 42:12
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 42:12
to 

Rebecca Welsh 42:12
the 

Rich Bennett 42:12
get 

Michelle Willoughby 42:13
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 42:14
and that would help out a lot, I think 

Rebecca Welsh 42:16
yeah 

Michelle Willoughby 42:16
yeah, mean it would be You know if we could branch out a little 

Rebecca Welsh 42:21
I 

Michelle Willoughby 42:21
bit more to like a support buddy system or what where we could do more like that 

Rich Bennett 42:29
If you guys 

Joanne Presbury 42:31
I'll 

Rich Bennett 42:31
get you hooked up 

Because we 

We want to I keep saying we meet in my co-host and I 

Won't come up about nonprofits 

A lot a lot of times people think it is hard It's the paperwork that's the hardest part and of course the money 

Rebecca Welsh 42:56
The 

Rich Bennett 42:57
the thing is it's Once you get it the people that you're going to be helping 

Yeah, it's gotta be done 

Michelle Willoughby 43:08
You got brains 

Rebecca Welsh 43:12
Yeah, I don't know 

I mean I mean we'd definitely be interested in seeing what they have to say or what we would have to get into absolutely 

Michelle Willoughby 43:32
I mean it would it would be amazing to be able to help out some of the people that just they don't have the ways or means You know, um just to be able to live like 

Rich Bennett 43:43
We knew somebody that knows 

Rebecca Welsh 43:46
do you know anybody 

Rich Bennett 43:47
People that really needed to help I 

Jonas you know anybody 

Jonas Seeberg 43:56
Yeah, it's it's it's with a nonprofit. It is like the paperwork 

Filing, you know, staying on top of like the admin side So it said like having your administrator having your bookkeeper you know just just with a you know keeping it going I've never done 

Rich Bennett 44:12
But we 

Jonas Seeberg 44:13
anything 

Rich Bennett 44:13
keep 

Joanne Presbury 44:13
like 

Jonas Seeberg 44:14
Eating the donations are charitable contributions. Oh they can do it. There's 

Joanne Presbury 44:17
My 

Jonas Seeberg 44:17
no mind yeah, yeah the brains 

Michelle Willoughby 44:20
just yeah 

Rebecca Welsh 44:20
in there. Yeah, I've 

Jonas Seeberg 44:21
the brains in there Rebecca. Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 44:23
Yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 44:24
you could definitely do it. 

Michelle Willoughby 44:25
I type like Mike Tyson talks 

Oh my I'm missing 

Jonas Seeberg 44:35
that finger 

Rich Bennett 44:39
Your holy 

Michelle Willoughby 44:40
right 

Rich Bennett 44:40
field 

Michelle Willoughby 44:40
Right 

Jonas Seeberg 44:42
the 

Joanne Presbury 44:42
ear 

Rich Bennett 44:43
Was it it was a 

Jonas Seeberg 44:43
bit of it is 

Rich Bennett 44:44
here? Yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 44:46
I'm in this here. 

Michelle Willoughby 44:47
I still got my ear but 

Jonas Seeberg 44:49
know, 

Michelle Willoughby 44:49
you 

Jonas Seeberg 44:50
yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 44:50
yeah my rate of 

Jonas Seeberg 44:50
yeah 

Michelle Willoughby 44:51
losing by 

Jonas Seeberg 44:51
Oh 

Yeah, she lost her finger. Is 

Rich Bennett 44:55
it women white? 

Michelle Willoughby 44:56
Yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 44:57
yeah that's why she sang with the tight because she's missing of 

Michelle Willoughby 44:59
I know I lost this set when I wanted to job in Uri 

Jonas Seeberg 45:02
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 45:02
wow 

Jonas Seeberg 45:04
Finger finger got ripped out 

Joanne Presbury 45:06
She's 

Rebecca Welsh 45:07
got sleeve Yeah 

Rich Bennett 45:08
God 

Michelle Willoughby 45:09
fast 

Jonas Seeberg 45:09
she has a picture of her finger like this long and then attending that runs all 

Rebecca Welsh 45:12
way. 

Jonas Seeberg 45:12
the 

Rebecca Welsh 45:12
Yeah, that was pretty wild picture Oh Oh 

Michelle Willoughby 45:16
I lost that before I lost my leg 

Rebecca Welsh 45:19
You know, I think there's a point when every amputee the you know the guitar. I mean something just clicks and they're like okay I'm done because you because they all go through that feel sorry for their stuff and maybe you didn't miss 

Joanne Presbury 45:30
No, I didn't. 

Rebecca Welsh 45:30
but some people do You know, like when I was in the house, but they was a lady that she just felt like her leg was over that she just wanted to die She didn't even want to get out of bed. 

Rich Bennett 45:39
Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 45:39
She would 

Joanne Presbury 45:39
rather 

Rebecca Welsh 45:39
just 

Joanne Presbury 45:40
Again, 

Rebecca Welsh 45:40
and she lay lost one leg, you know, and that really bothered me because you know You know you and that's the biggest thing is just trying to talk to people and let them know their life There's no other people out there that you know, you know, they have it worse than you do, you know, just Get 

Joanne Presbury 45:56
get 

Rebecca Welsh 45:56
it 

Joanne Presbury 45:56
it out 

Rich Bennett 45:58
Actually 

Rebecca Welsh 45:58
question 

Rich Bennett 45:58
have a 

Rebecca Welsh 45:58
good bigger about there 

Rich Bennett 46:00
Because we've heard about you know when the accidents happen and with your diabetes the challenges you face at first 

What challenges do you face each of you face now if any? 

Rebecca Welsh 46:12
I 

Michelle Willoughby 46:13
mean, I think for me, I guess because I am still fairly new every day's a challenge, you know, a mental challenge and a physical challenge, like, you know, I wake up in the morning, the first thing that's on my mind is I don't want to put this leg on today. 

Rebecca Welsh 46:31
Yeah, prosthetics is 

Michelle Willoughby 46:32
heavy, it hurts, I just don't feel like doing it. But I do it anyway. 

types of challenges of not dwelling on the fact that, you know, the simple things like getting up and getting your water from the kitchen after you took your leg off. You know, 

Rebecca Welsh 46:50
Those 

Michelle Willoughby 46:50
you can't help but to be like, "Oh man, I took my two legs for granted, because 

it's so much more difficult than I envisioned in my head." So yeah, I mean, every day I think that we kind of have to battle thoughts, but it's what you do with them and where you... know, some days, I look at myself in the mirror and it's a kick-in and gut 

Rebecca Welsh 47:15
You 

Michelle Willoughby 47:15
and I feel sorry for myself, but it's a fleeting thing. I don't stay 

Rebecca Welsh 47:20
Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 47:20
there. 

Rebecca Welsh 47:21
No, 

Joanne Presbury 47:21
I don't need to... 

Michelle Willoughby 47:23
Other days I'm angry about the guy that hit me. 

Rich Bennett 47:26
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 47:27
You know, how dare you drink and drive. 

Rebecca Welsh 47:30
Mm-hmm. Yeah? 

Michelle Willoughby 47:32
you know, but I can't stay bitter and angry, I 

Rich Bennett 47:34
Right. And, 

Michelle Willoughby 47:35
choose not to. 

So those are, you know, my daily struggles. 

Jonas Seeberg 47:43
Mm-hmm. 

Joanne Presbury 47:44
How about daily struggles? I mean, I get up every morning, I just put my leg on going about my business. 

Rich Bennett 47:49
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 47:50
Good for you. And I hope, 

Joanne Presbury 47:52
I 

Michelle Willoughby 47:52
and 

Joanne Presbury 47:52
don't 

Michelle Willoughby 47:52
when I 

Joanne Presbury 47:52
think 

Michelle Willoughby 47:52
get the 

Joanne Presbury 47:53
about 

Michelle Willoughby 47:53
five years that I'm like that, 

Rebecca Welsh 47:55
it. Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 47:55
you know, and I'm praying that I will be. 

Rebecca Welsh 47:58
I mean, it is what it is. It's just part of your life now, 

Michelle Willoughby 48:00
Right. 

Rebecca Welsh 48:00
you know, and it's just... 

Michelle Willoughby 48:02
That's 

Joanne Presbury 48:02
why I said, once I get it on and I know I'm walking, okay, I just go on like I didn't lose a leg. 

Michelle Willoughby 48:07
Do you deal with pain? 

Joanne Presbury 48:08
You know, I used to every now and 

Michelle Willoughby 48:11
then, but yeah. 

Joanne Presbury 48:11
I don't have the pain. And like, like, I said about my friend. He just had his done and he is in so much pain, and all that, but I don't remember me ever having pain. 

Michelle Willoughby 48:21
Well, it's like having 

Joanne Presbury 48:22
I 

Michelle Willoughby 48:22
a... 

Joanne Presbury 48:22
didn't have any 

Rebecca Welsh 48:23
You're 

Joanne Presbury 48:23
pain. 

Rebecca Welsh 48:23
very fortunate because 

Joanne Presbury 48:24
I'm... 

Rebecca Welsh 48:24
I know 

Joanne Presbury 48:25
No pain at all. 

Rebecca Welsh 48:26
I've struggled for years with prosthetic fitness. 

Joanne Presbury 48:28
I never took any... 

Rebecca Welsh 48:29
And, you know, because my skin was very thin, because my accident was trauma, so my skin was shredded. So there was a lot of nerve issues and a lot of skin grafts and trying to find a good prosthetic fit. That's a key, you know. If you have a good fit, then you can go, you know, because my prosthetic stayed on from the time I quit 6, 6, 7 o'clock in the morning until 

Joanne Presbury 48:49
9, 

Rebecca Welsh 48:49
10 o'clock at night whenever, you know. So, the way I look at this is only a big fit, is key for everything, you know. 

Michelle Willoughby 48:56
And that's the thing. Like, I was just talking to a guy who was above the knee. I'm still really, really new, and he's like, I wish 

Jonas Seeberg 49:04
had 

Michelle Willoughby 49:04
I 

Jonas Seeberg 49:04
a knee. 

Michelle Willoughby 49:04
wish I had a knee. And everybody's amputation's different. Mine was a cross injury. 

Rebecca Welsh 49:09
I 

Michelle Willoughby 49:09
I have a lot of nerve damage. I'm in pain 24/7. Some days worse than others, but my base level... So, it's just nerve... 

Rebecca Welsh 49:18
I 

Joanne Presbury 49:19
get that sometimes. 

Michelle Willoughby 49:20
Caught in scar tissue. 

Rebecca Welsh 49:22
You 

Michelle Willoughby 49:22
know. And so, everybody's dealing with a little something different. Some people are blessed and have no pain, and they, you know, they live life and I think that's what makes it so frustrating to the people that have the struggles of the nerve damage and the pain is like, well, 

Jonas Seeberg 49:39
down 

Michelle Willoughby 49:39
there out there, running 5K marathons, why ain't I there? Yeah. But it's it's a whole process. 

Jonas Seeberg 49:45
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 49:45
Everybody's different. 

Jonas Seeberg 49:46
Everybody's 

Michelle Willoughby 49:47
different. A diabetic amputation is clean cut, well-thought out, you know, a trauma. We went in there, they had to make a quick choice, save our life, and, you know, we'll worry about how good of an amputation it is later. 

Rebecca Welsh 50:01
Right. And that's exactly 

Joanne Presbury 50:02
And 

Rebecca Welsh 50:03
it. 

Joanne Presbury 50:03
I'm still, I think my 

Jonas Seeberg 50:06
leg 

Joanne Presbury 50:06
is changing. 

Jonas Seeberg 50:07
You've gone through a lot of reduction. Yeah. And everybody has their challenges like Rebecca. You know, there's no amputies that have worked with over the last, you know, 25, 30 years that go through the volume change on a daily basis that she goes through. 

Rich Bennett 50:22
Who's 

Jonas Seeberg 50:22
Like 

Rich Bennett 50:22
a... 

Jonas Seeberg 50:22
she, yeah, she has incredible struggle and her hypersensitivity. I've never seen legs as sensitive as hers like her residual limbs. Like she, if I put, I mean, just a speck like in her socket, like she could tell me where that speck is, 

Rebecca Welsh 50:40
it and rub 

Jonas Seeberg 50:40
locate 

Rebecca Welsh 50:40
my flesh. It would like, take my skin off. 

Jonas Seeberg 50:42
Yeah, it's it's amazing hypersensitivity, like even some of the liners, like even the seams or the stitching, like you'll see the redness right over the stitching and that's through like a half an inch of gel. 

Rich Bennett 50:53
Wow. 

Rebecca Welsh 50:54
That's 

Jonas Seeberg 50:54
So, but, 

Rebecca Welsh 50:55
crazy. 

Jonas Seeberg 50:55
but she, you know, I'm not seeing somebody like go through so much anatomical change in a daily basis. She'll get up in the morning some days and can't get into her legs like for an hour. Like her, like, let, like where, where her limb won't sit in like position in the 

Rebecca Welsh 51:10
But 

Jonas Seeberg 51:10
socket. 

Rebecca Welsh 51:11
this is 14 years later. 

Jonas Seeberg 51:12
By, by, by the end of the day she could be 16, 20 ply. That's a ton of... 

Rebecca Welsh 51:17
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 51:18
So, we've still never resolved like how does, how do residual limbs go through this much fluctuation on a daily basis or 14 years later. So, everybody has their struggles, everybody has 

Michelle Willoughby 51:30
I 

Jonas Seeberg 51:30
their struggles, not there. 

Michelle Willoughby 51:31
have incredible empathy and admiration for Rebecca because like, I can't imagine both legs. You know, I know how hard it is for me. Like, and I can use a crutch to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. The thought of having to put this 

Rebecca Welsh 51:47
Put 

Michelle Willoughby 51:48
thing 

Rebecca Welsh 51:48
my legs on every night. I have to go pee. And sometimes I got pee two or three times. I 

Michelle Willoughby 51:51
in. 

Rebecca Welsh 51:51
got to put my legs on. I mean, I know a lot of people can just pop, get nervous. But I'm, the only time my wheelchair comes out is if I have skin breakdown and I cannot be on them. You know, I'm in them all the time, you know, 

Michelle Willoughby 52:04
that takes unbelievable strength and just determination, because like I like in it to put in a very sore foot in a hard wooden clog. That's what it feels like, you know, 

Rebecca Welsh 52:17
yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 52:18
to me anyway. 

Joanne Presbury 52:19
And 

Michelle Willoughby 52:19
And, you know, you got to make that choice like, "Okay, I'm going to do this again today." 

I'm just amazed. 

Rich Bennett 52:28
Actually, 

Joanne Presbury 52:29
Did you read about 

Rich Bennett 52:30
how. 

Joanne Presbury 52:31
that? How old 

Rich Bennett 52:31
were you? When he accidentally, 

Rebecca Welsh 52:32
oh gosh. They were little eight and five I think, eight and five. 

Rich Bennett 52:38
And how are they? 

Rebecca Welsh 52:41
The biggest hard because it was just like our life just completely changed on us, you know. And I just felt like, you know, I can't get up and do the things I wanted to do with them. That was hard. 

Michelle Willoughby 52:52
Hmm. 

Rebecca Welsh 52:52
But it was, hey, my youngest daughter, you know, because I was just one day. I was just feeling really sad for myself, just really, because I hadn't got my prosthetic shed. So the only way I could get in and out of my house is if my brother or my friend at the time would piggyback me out to my car, because I had a by-level house. And I'm just sitting there and I'm just waiting because, you know, carried the stuff out and my daughter came up and she put her hand, she's like, you know, just hugging me and she was like, "It's okay, mommy. You know, at least you're still here with us." You know, a lot of people don't have that and I just, 

Joanne Presbury 53:24
I 

Rebecca Welsh 53:25
never didn't feel sorry for myself, didn't cry anymore about anything. Like all right, that's it, here we go, you know. And then I went and got, went back to school and got a couple degrees, so, you know. 

Rich Bennett 53:35
A couple 

Rebecca Welsh 53:36
Well, 

Rich Bennett 53:36
degrees? 

Rebecca Welsh 53:36
I got a degree in social work and psychology and then I'm 10 classes away from another one, 

Rich Bennett 53:43
so. 

Rebecca Welsh 53:44
Psychology? Social work and psychology, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 53:46
All right, so don't be picking my brain 

Michelle Willoughby 53:48
now. 

Rich Bennett 53:51
Now, what about you, Michelle? Do you have any kids? 

Joanne Presbury 53:54
I 

Michelle Willoughby 53:54
do. She just turned 18 and she was probably like 15 when this happened. 

Rich Bennett 54:00
Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 54:01
15, going on 16, play soccer. I missed a lot of games, which I never missed anything, you know, growing up just didn't miss anything. So I missed out on a lot and they were wonderful. And, you know, I'm trying to make up for it now, I would, you know, doing more things together and plan on taking more vacations and trips and, you know, I'm retired now so it makes it a little easier. I work part time and, I don't know. 

Rich Bennett 54:30
Something and now I'm thinking of the not another reason for a nonprofit here. 

But, I mean, you guys were adults when this happened. Imagine if you were kids, everything is changing as you're getting older. So when this happened, how many different changes did you guys have to make to your, to your house. And even your, you know, are you both driving? Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 54:55
up 

Rich Bennett 54:55
you drove here or cars or anything, did you have to make any changes whatsoever? 

Rebecca Welsh 54:59
I didn't. Just no changes to my, 

Rich Bennett 55:03
no. Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 55:04
She's on a by-level. I don't even, I don't even know how she does it because groceries, you know, 

Rebecca Welsh 55:09
lots of 

Michelle Willoughby 55:10
And 

Rebecca Welsh 55:10
things. 

Michelle Willoughby 55:10
it's trying to walk up the steps is, you know, dangerous. 

Rich Bennett 55:15
and some people would say, no, forget it. I want to ramp, you know, 

Michelle Willoughby 55:19
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 55:19
or whatever. 

Michelle Willoughby 55:20
Yeah, a lot of people give up, they just give up, they refuse to try. And that's what I admire about her like. 

I want to hold on to it really when I'm going up with my groceries just because, you know, I'm not there yet. 

Rich Bennett 55:36
What bet you join, did you have to make any 

Joanne Presbury 55:39
adjustments 

Jonas Seeberg 55:39
to your house? 

Joanne Presbury 55:40
No, I was in a hospital bed for like seven months. 

Rich Bennett 55:44
at home, 

Joanne Presbury 55:45
yes, 

Rich Bennett 55:45
okay, 

Jonas Seeberg 55:46
but how, how about escalators? 

Joanne Presbury 55:47
Oh, yeah, I used, 

Jonas Seeberg 55:49
I 

Joanne Presbury 55:50
started when I had the prosthetic, I was using it actually, but then I can't do it now. 

Rich Bennett 55:55
You can't, 

Jonas Seeberg 55:57
she can, she can't, she's just, she's 

Joanne Presbury 55:58
I did, 

Jonas Seeberg 55:58
out there with Michelle, 

Joanne Presbury 55:59
cause 

Jonas Seeberg 55:59
she's 

Joanne Presbury 55:59
I don't 

Jonas Seeberg 55:59
got a, 

Joanne Presbury 56:00
know, I don't know when to get on it. I, 

Rich Bennett 56:02
oh, 

Joanne Presbury 56:02
I sit there and I stare at it, and I watch it go up, and I said, well, I'm gonna take the next, so that goes by. I just can't do it. 

Jonas Seeberg 56:11
So you're 

Rich Bennett 56:11
hoping that 

Jonas Seeberg 56:12
you 

Rich Bennett 56:12
the, 

Jonas Seeberg 56:12
can do it, you 

Joanne Presbury 56:13
you 

Jonas Seeberg 56:13
just, 

Joanne Presbury 56:13
know, but, 

Jonas Seeberg 56:14
can 

Rich Bennett 56:14
it 

Jonas Seeberg 56:14
do 

Rich Bennett 56:14
and become stairs. 

Joanne Presbury 56:15
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 56:16
Okay, 

Joanne Presbury 56:16
cause I told this little girl, she was maybe about six, she was scared to get on it, and I said, honey, please don't be scared, look at me, I can get on it. I do. I wanted to tell her that, and I can't do 

Rich Bennett 56:26
Oh, 

Joanne Presbury 56:26
it now. 

Rich Bennett 56:26
god. 

Joanne Presbury 56:28
But I try. But I think I faster going, I think I can go up the steps faster, then I can go coming down the steps. 

Rich Bennett 56:37
That's only because Michelle hasn't been behind you. 

Joanne Presbury 56:43
But I'm trying to go up the steps now without holding on to nothing. 

Rich Bennett 56:47
Oh, wow, 

Michelle Willoughby 56:48
yeah, 

Joanne Presbury 56:48
I'm doing that. I'm trying to. 

Michelle Willoughby 56:50
Yeah, 

Joanne Presbury 56:51
I do about two, three steps, 

Michelle Willoughby 56:54
yeah, 

Joanne Presbury 56:54
I can do about two, three steps, and then I start doing like that, and then I have, 

Rich Bennett 56:57
right. 

Joanne Presbury 56:57
but now I'm trying to get with a largely basket up and down steps. I'll do the first three, then. 

Okay, I'm 

Michelle Willoughby 57:06
working on that too. I'm getting better going down 

Joanne Presbury 57:08
nothing. 

Michelle Willoughby 57:08
with 

Joanne Presbury 57:09
So I have to sit down and ease them on up the steps. 

Michelle Willoughby 57:12
I 

Rebecca Welsh 57:12
have to change that age on that, because I had one that was in third grade and one that was going into sixth grade. 

Rich Bennett 57:17
oh, you're kids. 

Rebecca Welsh 57:18
So that's, 

Rich Bennett 57:18
I thought you were changing your 

Rebecca Welsh 57:19
No, 

Rich Bennett 57:20
age. 

Rebecca Welsh 57:20
no, I was 

Rich Bennett 57:20
What? 

Rebecca Welsh 57:21
sitting here, I'm thinking, wait a minute, she wasn't fine. She was in third grade and the other one was going into sixth grade. 

Joanne Presbury 57:28
Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 57:30
so they were 

Rich Bennett 57:31
young. So, 

Joanne Presbury 57:31
you're 

Rich Bennett 57:31
so 20s now? Oh yeah. And then 

Joanne Presbury 57:34
she's 

Rich Bennett 57:35
still with you? 

Rebecca Welsh 57:36
Oh no, I'm I'm no. 

Rich Bennett 57:37
I 

Joanne Presbury 57:37
to 

Rich Bennett 57:37
was going 

Joanne Presbury 57:38
say, but would they come around and they still big help? 

Rebecca Welsh 57:41
Oh yeah, I mean, my my youngest is still there, but my oldest she has her, I have my granddaughter and I have her all they want me and me and my granddaughter together all every day. 

Rich Bennett 57:49
What is it with you, young women and grandkids? 

Rebecca Welsh 57:52
Oh, that's my heart. That's my girl. 

Michelle Willoughby 57:58
But I think I know where you were going with the, adaptions 

Rich Bennett 58:02
we 

Michelle Willoughby 58:02
to the house. 

Joanne Presbury 58:03
You 

Rich Bennett 58:06
know, your 

Joanne Presbury 58:06
constantly, 

Rich Bennett 58:06
you 

any kids throughout the years. 

Michelle Willoughby 58:12
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 58:13
yeah, it's a change thing and I know 

Michelle Willoughby 58:18
no, it doesn't even 

Rich Bennett 58:20
profit could help with that. To the wheelchair, 

you don't like 

Joanne Presbury 58:27
use it, but that's 

Rich Bennett 58:27
to 

Joanne Presbury 58:28
something that 

Rich Bennett 58:29
I'm sure you were in one once you accidentally happened. Now, granted, I'm going to lie, allow your lines curves will provide you with 

Joanne Presbury 58:36
it. 

Michelle Willoughby 58:37
yeah, I wanted an electric one and I had to pay out a pocket. 

Rich Bennett 58:41
Expensive. 

Michelle Willoughby 58:41
Oh my goodness. I mean, it was $2, 500 and I don't have like the top of the line and it was $700 for spare battery 

Rich Bennett 58:49
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 58:50
insurance doesn't cover it. 

Rich Bennett 58:52
But, yeah, oh, 

Michelle Willoughby 58:54
choice 

Rebecca Welsh 58:55
like certain insurance companies will give you a choice. You can have it a lift, 

Joanne Presbury 58:59
it. 

Rebecca Welsh 58:59
you can have But you can only get a wheelchair every what five years. I think it 

Joanne Presbury 59:04
Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 59:04
is. 

Joanne Presbury 59:04
because the one when I wanted to knew when they told me I had to wait to 25, 

to 2025 

Michelle Willoughby 59:11
to get it. 

Joanne Presbury 59:12
I don't use it. 

Rebecca Welsh 59:13
Yep, so it just sits in 

Michelle Willoughby 59:14
that. When give me. 

Rebecca Welsh 59:16
Really? 

Michelle Willoughby 59:16
I was too able to, like, I could use crutches. 

Joanne Presbury 59:19
I couldn't do no crutches. 

Rebecca Welsh 59:21
I mean, they would be nice to have an amusement park or something. 

Michelle Willoughby 59:24
Yeah. Well, that's why I wanted to get an electric wheelchair, because for one, I didn't want to have to tear out my doorways to fit through and it's small. Plus, you know, if I go on a trip in the hotel, it's a foldable one that fits right in the trunk of 

Rich Bennett 59:37
Right. 

Michelle Willoughby 59:38
the car. I can get it in and out myself, you know, and use it when I have to take my leg off to take a shower or whatever. I use it to scoop. 

Rich Bennett 59:48
Now, so where's the first camp in trip going to be? 

Rebecca Welsh 59:52
Somewhere nice. Where are we going to go? Let's see. We haven't talked about it yet. 

Michelle Willoughby 59:55
We probably started out somewhere, 

Rebecca Welsh 59:57
like local. 

Michelle Willoughby 59:57
It's 

Rich Bennett 59:57
Jim. 

Michelle Willoughby 59:57
where 

Rich Bennett 59:58
Gettysburg. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:00
I mean, if it's too far from him, I might want to shoot. We can just, we can set up. There's a couple of places that's local that we can 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:06
talking about doing it back 

Joanne Presbury 1:00:07
be 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:07
and times back. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:08
Yeah, we did talk about that. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:09
He's got a camper. I got a little, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:11
Yeah, he 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:11
little. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:12
has plenty of my energy. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:14
I have a 

Rich Bennett 1:00:14
tent. Thank 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:15
tent. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:15
you. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:15
I have a three 

Rich Bennett 1:00:15
That's 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:15
room 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:16
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:00:16
camping. yeah, hey 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:17
yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:17
go 

Rich Bennett 1:00:17
there you 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:17
but I do have a blow up. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:18
You're talking glamping. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:19
I need air 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:20
conditioning. Oh, yeah She's just like I got to have air conditioning. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:24
Oh, so you 

Joanne Presbury 1:00:25
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:00:25
want to go then 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:28
either that or someplace with air condition and 

I need a minimal. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:33
blammer camping, right? Blamping 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:36
oh, 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:37
Well technically in our defense, you know when you're laying on the ground and a sleeping bag, trying to get up into your prosthetics is kind of a 

Rich Bennett 1:00:45
okay 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:45
pain so having the air mattress is This, yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:48
I have not in a whole bunch 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:49
of 

Rich Bennett 1:00:49
would not trust it, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:50
I 

Rich Bennett 1:00:50
get a cot 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:51
Like 

Michelle Willoughby 1:00:51
Yeah 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:51
a cot. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:52
cot would 

Rebecca Welsh 1:00:52
better 

Rich Bennett 1:00:53
be 

Jonas Seeberg 1:00:53
Do's 

Rich Bennett 1:00:55
air mattresses somehow another Yeah 

There you can get the const which also now have the inflatable 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:05
thing I mean, you know if I was on survivors something I'd stay in a tent, but you know I have the ability to have air condition 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:13
She wants 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:14
condition 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:14
air 

Rich Bennett 1:01:16
Oh, 

Joanne Presbury 1:01:16
no 

Rich Bennett 1:01:17
They do have 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:21
They make 

Rich Bennett 1:01:21
They make 

Joanne Presbury 1:01:23
cores. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:24
make Now 

Rich Bennett 1:01:24
They 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:24
You 

Rich Bennett 1:01:25
can use outside Yeah 

You can still store stuff in the cooler 

Joanne Presbury 1:01:31
I 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:34
know I found a campground that's got like their camper cabins 

Joanne Presbury 1:01:39
So 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:39
there are campers with cabin built one 

Jonas Seeberg 1:01:41
and they 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:42
Condition 

Rich Bennett 1:01:45
That's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:45
bathrooms. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:45
a hotel 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:46
Okay, but we can 

Jonas Seeberg 1:01:47
build 

Michelle Willoughby 1:01:47
we can 

Jonas Seeberg 1:01:47
a hotel on a campground I mean 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:51
the whole point is we're trying to get people together 

Rich Bennett 1:01:54
Camp it up thing intensive 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:56
It's me too. That's where I was at. It 

Rich Bennett 1:01:57
like 

Rebecca Welsh 1:01:57
was 

Rich Bennett 1:01:57
Go and fishing for your food 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:00
Oh well, I 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:00
Not 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:00
don't know about 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:01
survived. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:01
that. We 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:01
Stick 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:01
can 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:02
right amputee survivor in the deep woods 

Rich Bennett 1:02:05
Take your own 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:08
You want to come? 

Rich Bennett 1:02:10
Good. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:10
I'll be the goal yes. Don't shoot that would 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:11
great This 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:11
be 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:12
time talking about it's got a grill and they provide the propane too 

Rich Bennett 1:02:15
That's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:15
grill 

Rich Bennett 1:02:15
not a 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:16
I 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:17
mean just 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:17
Like 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:18
throwing a 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:18
maids 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:18
rack 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:18
and botlers. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:18
over the fire 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:19
They like maids and botlers. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:20
Yeah 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:21
Grill 

that's 

Rich Bennett 1:02:24
an outdoor Where 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:25
is this campground 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:26
It's way right in West Virginia 

Rich Bennett 1:02:28
That's not campground. It's a hotel. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:30
It's the red scarlet in you 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:32
I think they have spots. You can pop 10 if you want to suffer 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:35
Is that 

Rich Bennett 1:02:36
me that means suffer 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:39
So 

Joanne Presbury 1:02:39
good 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:40
I love it I do. I love camping 

Rich Bennett 1:02:42
oh yeah, I mean someone 

Jonas Seeberg 1:02:44
Says 

Joanne Presbury 1:02:45
nowadays. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:02:46
They're luxury Tell 

Rich Bennett 1:02:48
you I mean they have the inflatable 

Joanne Presbury 1:02:49
10 school church 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:50
Yeah, but you get a pack for three days just to When 

Joanne Presbury 1:02:54
you 

Michelle Willoughby 1:02:55
get there, you know, I want to go to places. I'm not trying to work on vacation 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:03
they do have some campgrounds like where they do like you you have like your your structure So it's like your home and the air conditioner and then some people like to camp in their vehicles So you're 

Rebecca Welsh 1:03:14
And 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:14
seeing more and more of that. So like the bed of your truck. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:03:17
You yeah 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:18
You can also pitch it 10 so if you can find a place where you can get all three then everybody can still come together Yeah And then sleep the way 

Michelle Willoughby 1:03:26
I'm 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:26
they 

Michelle Willoughby 1:03:26
not 

Joanne Presbury 1:03:26
want 

Michelle Willoughby 1:03:26
judging if you want to get up and walk to a poor partner man all day tonight. God bless you I 

Joanne Presbury 1:03:35
Don't get in lose 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:36
Hey, he's not even thinking 

Michelle Willoughby 1:03:36
house. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:37
portapot 

Rebecca Welsh 1:03:37
ground. You just popped 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:38
hold on the 

Rebecca Welsh 1:03:39
squat behind a bush. 

Joanne Presbury 1:03:40
I don't know. I need to do a ledley. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:42
Shee 

Jonas Seeberg 1:03:42
So 

Joanne Presbury 1:03:43
my bite my butt 

Rich Bennett 1:03:47
Tell me one 

Joanne Presbury 1:03:48
camp but I Nice 

Rich Bennett 1:03:50
at the time first time 

Joanne Presbury 1:03:51
she went camping 

Rich Bennett 1:03:53
And in the morning I hear this noise like what in the world because her tend she was in a 

Joanne Presbury 1:04:02
her 

Rich Bennett 1:04:02
tent but 

Joanne Presbury 1:04:02
on 

Rich Bennett 1:04:03
the pole was an electrical socket and she's out there blow drying her hair 

up to the Where they had the 

Joanne Presbury 1:04:13
I 

Rich Bennett 1:04:13
showers 

No I can't 

Michelle Willoughby 1:04:18
Oh, well, you know Again 

Jonas Seeberg 1:04:22
so get together outdoors 

Rich Bennett 1:04:24
Michelle 

Jonas Seeberg 1:04:25
with some luxury 

Rich Bennett 1:04:25
Trust me you'll 

Joanne Presbury 1:04:27
have I'm 

Jonas Seeberg 1:04:30
not going on that 

Michelle Willoughby 1:04:31
Right, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:04:31
trip 

Michelle Willoughby 1:04:32
right. 

Exactly 

Jonas Seeberg 1:04:35
come back with a black eye 

Rich Bennett 1:04:37
If you don't Fun, I'll let you push me off to end hill 

Joanne Presbury 1:04:41
Fun 

Michelle Willoughby 1:04:42
as long as somebody else is packing everything we need 

Rich Bennett 1:04:46
Well, how long are you going to camp before only for weekend, right? 

Michelle Willoughby 1:04:50
I saw a lot of work for just a weekend 

Rich Bennett 1:04:52
I work 

Michelle Willoughby 1:04:53
You get to take cooking stuff. You're gonna take food and 

Rich Bennett 1:04:58
That's a mess kit 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:00
All right, you've never been I'll stay 

Rich Bennett 1:05:02
that. You've 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:02
at you 

Rich Bennett 1:05:02
never been 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:03
Street 

Rich Bennett 1:05:03
camping have 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:04
and come visit nighttime 

Rich Bennett 1:05:05
You never went camping have you 

Joanne Presbury 1:05:07
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:08
I used to when I was younger 

Rich Bennett 1:05:09
Okay, did you take a lot of stuff? 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:16
Parents, I hated every minute of packing for that camping trip and then the worst part is unpacking when you get back 

Rich Bennett 1:05:24
That you know what? There's a big concert that they do 

Rebecca Welsh 1:05:27
a 

Rich Bennett 1:05:27
every year it's 

Rebecca Welsh 1:05:28
Do 

Rich Bennett 1:05:28
every year in Durham 

Rebecca Welsh 1:05:29
we came to that one 

Rich Bennett 1:05:30
Brum rambles fest 

Rebecca Welsh 1:05:32
Like

 a country music thing and we camped out for three days and then went to the concert. That was a lot of 

Rich Bennett 1:05:39
fun And I think the rambles would rambles would rambles Festival whatever 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:44
The 

Rich Bennett 1:05:47
same game site 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:47
And 

Rich Bennett 1:05:49
I think they have cabins there probably a little air condition 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:53
Yeah 

Jonas Seeberg 1:05:54
great great wolf lodge. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:05:55
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:05:55
oh 

Jonas Seeberg 1:05:55
right around the Here 

Michelle Willoughby 1:06:02
Just 

Jonas Seeberg 1:06:07
friendship 

Joanne Presbury 1:06:09
tent 

Jonas Seeberg 1:06:09
in 

Joanne Presbury 1:06:09
I used to be a Girl Scout and I was a camp with six years then it was fun camping out there in a woods and 

Rich Bennett 1:06:14
the 

Joanne Presbury 1:06:15
stuff 

Rich Bennett 1:06:15
But yeah, it was a blast 

Joanne Presbury 1:06:16
now 

Rich Bennett 1:06:16
wasn't You get the the problem is Start up 

Joanne Presbury 1:06:22
Hey, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:23
you get 

Michelle Willoughby 1:06:23
slow. Oh you get slow plus. Yeah, I was 50 some years old got run over by a car. I am not trying to sleep on the hard ground 

Joanne Presbury 1:06:30
Just 

Michelle Willoughby 1:06:32
not trying to do it 

Rich Bennett 1:06:35
okay never mind. I ain't winning this battle with I 

Michelle Willoughby 1:06:37
No, 

Rebecca Welsh 1:06:38
she's got something for you. Everything you say 

Rich Bennett 1:06:40
Yeah, 

Rebecca Welsh 1:06:40
she's already thought about it 

Rich Bennett 1:06:42
The people 

Michelle Willoughby 1:06:46
We're on Facebook amputee friends of Hartford County so you can Find us on Facebook. There's a couple of questions 

answer the questions and 

Joanne Presbury 1:06:58
Just 

Michelle Willoughby 1:06:58
you know The administrator so I'll just approve. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:02
Just say hello. Hey guys, you know, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:03
Yeah. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:04
oh, what's going 

Rich Bennett 1:07:04
Yes 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:05
somebody? 

Joanne Presbury 1:07:09
You know 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:11
you know, I'm trying to weed out some some 

Joanne Presbury 1:07:13
There's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:13
people who are there for the wrong 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:15
reason the VOD's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:16
you know Yeah 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:17
The VODs The 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:18
VOD's they're people that have like an unhealthy obsession 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:22
with with amputees Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:24
yeah, it 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:24
there. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:24
becomes 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:24
Oh, it's a very big thing 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:26
Yeah, it can become really hairy really quick name Pictures of lights. Don't Oh 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:35
Yeah, they 

Jonas Seeberg 1:07:38
you 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:40
They like it first there's sexual gratification 

Rich Bennett 1:07:44
And they're in the group. Oh 

Jonas Seeberg 1:07:46
That that's who they're trying to weed that's they're they're weeding them out. 

Joanne Presbury 1:07:50
Yes 

Rebecca Welsh 1:07:51
Yeah, we want some kind of people in our 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:57
You know I knew 

Rich Bennett 1:07:58
I knew nothing 

Michelle Willoughby 1:07:59
thing about that until I became an amputee and then you know weird things started then I'm one of these other amputees sites and these people are talking about these devotees Which 

Rebecca Welsh 1:08:09
And 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:09
I had never heard of I had to google it see what the heck it 

Rich Bennett 1:08:11
yeah 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:11
was And yeah, it's a thing. I mean 

Rebecca Welsh 1:08:15
I 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:15
I 

Jonas Seeberg 1:08:15
think 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:15
think they they've even called places of 

Businesses, you know and we're inappropriate asking all kind of inappropriate questions 

Rebecca Welsh 1:08:24
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:26
so there's you know, there's a kind for everybody I guess 

Rebecca Welsh 1:08:30
And then there's there's other ones that they try to act like oh well, I am getting an amputation and you can help me do this And then they read your mom can you send me this can you send me that I'm like you can google all the pictures you need buddy Yeah, so you make it another for me. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:42
Yeah, yeah, there's also another 

bizarre type out there That wants to be amputees, but are not 

Rebecca Welsh 1:08:52
yes. Yeah, yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:53
They 

Rebecca Welsh 1:08:53
yeah 

Michelle Willoughby 1:08:54
want to you know get rid of body parts 

Whatever reason. I don't even know 

Rich Bennett 1:08:59
Did you know all these journals? Yes. Oh really? 

Jonas Seeberg 1:09:03
Yes, 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:03
well, he is the prostitist 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:04
So yeah, I do monitor it 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:10
Unwanted

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:13
type of attention 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:14
yeah, no 'cause we don't want the people in the group to be, you know, getting a message through a question by people like that, right? 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:21
No. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:22
So that's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:22
it, 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:22
what... 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:22
it 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:22
When you hear 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:23
happens and...

Rich Bennett 1:09:23
Good. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:24
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:24
Wow. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:28
They're all open. It's 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:29
They're 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:29
all you open your 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:29
all... 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:29
mouth, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:09:30
There's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:09:30
but... 

Jonas Seeberg 1:09:30
a lot 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:30
of people in this world. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:31
No, it's just... As long as I've been doing this, I've been... I've heard some... 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:37
strange... 

Rich Bennett 1:09:37
about some And... 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:40
This 

Rich Bennett 1:09:40
This 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:41
is 

Rich Bennett 1:09:41
is probably... 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:41
probably the second, 

Rich Bennett 1:09:42
Strange... 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:42
strange... 

Rich Bennett 1:09:42
People I've heard... 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:44
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:45
I've heard about. Not heard from. I mean... I 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:48
heard 

Rich Bennett 1:09:50
about. I just... I don't... Get it? 

Rebecca Welsh 1:09:54
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:55
It's something very important. Tell 

Joanne Presbury 1:09:56
Some... 

Rich Bennett 1:09:56
everybody about real life prosth... 

Jonas Seeberg 1:10:00
So, real life prosthetics. We opened up our doors in Hartford County in 2001, and Abbington. So that's where our main lab is, where we do all of our manufacturing. That's where our funding team is... To help people navigate the realm of insurance... And where a clinical team is. So that is Houston. That's our home base. So we have between the 

orthotics and prosthetics facilities... And with Michelle, with a line rehabilitation. Faces are conjoined. We have 7,000 square feet. 

Joanne Presbury 1:10:31
That 

Jonas Seeberg 1:10:31
we work in right over there in Boxo corporate center, and then real life... Over the years, we've opened up four more locations. So we have an office in Towson. We have an office in Chestertown, Maryland. Office in Glasgow, like Newark, Delaware, and then our northernmost point is Wilmington. So we have... No, no, no, so we do have offices in Maryland and Delaware. So we do serve this region around the northern Chesapeas. 

Rich Bennett 1:10:59
travel? You're 

Joanne Presbury 1:11:00
Your 

Rich Bennett 1:11:00
traveling a lot, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:01
So, 

Joanne Presbury 1:11:01
aren't 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:02
not so much anymore, but we have other practitioners 

Joanne Presbury 1:11:04
you? 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:04
who are traveling. So for me, I'm primarily at the Abington location, and then we have other... Other practitioners who cover the other locations. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:14
Now, can anybody just... Can I do a tour? 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:19
Yes. Absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:20
I was a maid. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:22
Yes, there. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:24
It's 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:25
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:25
impressive. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:26
You came through for the expansion and then the grand opening for a line rehabilitation. So you got to see it firsthand. And it's nice, like we're really trying to create an environment to where amputees can... You come in meet with prosthesis, we can do the design of their prosthetic device, do the manufacturing, the provision, and then over to Michelle for the rehabilitation. So amputees, not like pinballing to these different specialists, they can come to one location and receive like both services 

Rich Bennett 1:11:54
from... 

Jonas Seeberg 1:11:54
physical therapists and prosthetists. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:58
I have a funny feeling. 

Joanne Presbury 1:12:00
Which next door 

Rich Bennett 1:12:01
do you then? Nice. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:12:03
So security up 

Jonas Seeberg 1:12:03
so we have social security, 

Rich Bennett 1:12:05
there. Okay, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:12:05
and then we have a dental... 

Rich Bennett 1:12:07
If... There's a little place available over there. You may see a local non-profit 

Rebecca Welsh 1:12:13
in 

Rich Bennett 1:12:13
there very soon. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:12:15
Oh, there 

Rebecca Welsh 1:12:16
you go. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:12:16
Oh, how about 

Michelle Willoughby 1:12:18
that? We need a secretary, 

Rich Bennett 1:12:20
can you type. Can 

Jonas Seeberg 1:12:22
I type? 

Rich Bennett 1:12:23
I can hook you up with somebody. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:12:26
I can type, it's fine. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:12:27
But we are. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:12:29
It's 

Jonas Seeberg 1:12:29
real life when we are everybody here. I mean, it is a lot of friendships. it's a lot of... You know, the lows can be very low, the highs can be very high. I mean, we do run through the gamut and like of emotions as we're living life together through the rehabilitation process. So it's not an easy journey. It's a very difficult journey in the beginning. But in time, for most amputees, like life does get easier and easier as you learn how to navigate life differently. You know, you can hear like the stories they've been told today. It's like you do come to that moment to where it's like, okay, this is the way I am now, this is life I'm moving on and I'm going to learn how to navigate life differently, and I'm not going to be the way it was me. I'm going to get up and live life and I have to live life a little differently and modify how it's used to living. Like, you do break through the disability and get into a level of higher and higher ability, you know, the longer your living life is an amputee. And the motivation is huge. I mean, just seeing this group come together has motivated me like as their a prosthetic, just seeing the friendships. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:39
Yeah, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:13:40
You know, and going to the group and seeing a dozen amputees together just having dinner together, talking about life together. Like, that's why I'm even in the field. You know, it's the people. I mean, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:13:52
We're blessed 

Joanne Presbury 1:13:53
we're... 

Michelle Willoughby 1:13:54
to have real life, I mean, like seriously, because Jonas and his staff, you know, they're kind, they're caring, they're understanding, and when I say, and I'm sure Rebecca can tell you the same thing, I have went in there, cousin and crying, and again, it wasn't anything that they did, it was where I was at at that moment, and things weren't going the way I wanted them to, as quick as I wanted them to, and, you know, they'd think God that they have the personality is to just kind of work with those ups and downs, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:14:25
'cause 

Michelle Willoughby 1:14:26
anybody else would probably sort of me out. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:29
That's something I wanted to point out as well, because with Dana, Jonas, and Michelle, and the rest of the staff there, a lot of people, you know, if somebody is coming screaming and hollering, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:14:43
I don't recommend 

Rich Bennett 1:14:44
it. 

A lot of people would just say, no, that's it. I'm done with this. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:14:48
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:14:48
and you want to see them again. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:14:50
But you 

Joanne Presbury 1:14:52
know 

Jonas Seeberg 1:14:52
never 

Rich Bennett 1:14:52
what they're going through. You're 

Joanne Presbury 1:14:53
there, 

Rich Bennett 1:14:54
you 

Jonas Seeberg 1:14:55
know. 

To 

Joanne Presbury 1:14:55
help them. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:57
I got to give credit to you, and Dana, and everybody. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:15:00
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:15:01
Yeah, because, it's--

Michelle Willoughby 1:15:03
They've talked us all for a lot of ledges. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:15:06
(laughs) 

Michelle Willoughby 1:15:07
sad, like I never want to be like that with anybody. Thank God I had a kind of a safe place to express my, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:15:15
It's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:15:15
you know, where I was at that moment, and that's how the character for me, you know, 

And, you know, I feel for them because they are dealing with a lot of emotions, and I'm not yelling and screaming at them, you know, you didn't do this right or-- 

Rich Bennett 1:15:31
might--

Michelle Willoughby 1:15:32
I'm just frustrated at myself, at my life, and they deal with it, like, just, like their counseling service 

Joanne Presbury 1:15:40
know? 

Michelle Willoughby 1:15:41
almost, you 

Joanne Presbury 1:15:41
But I was seeing Jonah before I even got like this. I was having trouble with my right leg, and he gave, fed it me for a boot, so I've been with him a long time, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:15:51
Yeah, yeah. And you do, like you'll walk into some companies, and it's a very cold, fast-paced environment, like our company, like our entire team. I mean, we, we are family, 

Joanne Presbury 1:16:02
yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:16:03
and I don't know, can you feel that? Like, when 

Joanne Presbury 1:16:05
I'm 

Jonas Seeberg 1:16:05
you--

Joanne Presbury 1:16:05
family. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:16:05
The doors, I mean, it's, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:16:07
We're 

Jonas Seeberg 1:16:07
you 

Michelle Willoughby 1:16:07
family. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:16:07
know, we're all family, and like our staff. Like, we're very much like, we really care for each other. We care for those that we serve. Like, we are very compassionate. I think almost to a fault, there are times, like, where we say, we stay so level-headed through those high-intensity moments that it can be perceived as, we don't care. Or like, we, like, our hearts aren't in it, but that's not the case. Like, we stay steady in the midst of the storm, but it's not that we are not caring, or it's like, I will get through. And that's not that, like, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:16:42
special. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:16:44
You know, we don't sleep at night. Like, when we don't have, like, legs fitting well. Like, it's a rollercoaster ride for us too. But, you know, we're the ones that have to stay, like, the constant, like, mellow through, those intense moments. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:16:59
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:00
Very much are concerned. We care. It's not a lack of 

Rich Bennett 1:17:03
did 

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:03
motivation. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:04
that on the first episode 

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:04
I think that's 

Rich Bennett 1:17:05
that 

Rebecca Welsh 1:17:05
why we 

Rich Bennett 1:17:06
we did together, where they're not patients. They're not clients. They're family. I think that's--

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:11
Yeah, they're family. It's friends. It's even hard for me to write patients. 

I clinical now? Like, a patient is like, hey, there's something wrong with you. It's like, 

Rich Bennett 1:17:19
Am 

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:19
there's nothing wrong with you. You know, it's your, you know, you're a person who lost your leg, you know, we have different 

hairstyles, you know, 

Joanne Presbury 1:17:28
it's, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:29
it's, you know, it's, it's a care, like, amputation is a characteristic of you, it doesn't define you. I think that's another point. Like, in the beginning, when you're going through 

like trauma, like, that you two have been through, 

Joanne Presbury 1:17:41
or, like, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:41
vascular issues, it's not allowing your amputation to define who you are in your heart. And it's going through that process, coming to terms where it's like, wait, I'm not defined by my amputation. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:55
hmm, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:17:55
You know, I'm still the same person. So I'm this person that has an amputation. But it's, the amputation doesn't define you. And the stronger you get, like, in who you are in your character, then the less the amputation 

Rebecca Welsh 1:18:09
becomes it. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:18:10
far as like identity. For me as a prosthetic, I don't see amputations anymore. I mean I'm working with residual limbs every day all day long, but I see the heart, I see the person, like I don't see the residual limb. In the beginning I did going through schooling, going through the residency, being exposed to amputations, being in uncertainties, and in the beginning it can be overwhelming, you know, just wrapping your mind, wow, the trauma this person has been through, you know, or just this life change. At least for me in the beginning I was wrestling with the amputation itself, the residual limb itself. And then like the more like that I worked with amputations, it's literally the residual limbs disappear and it's all about the people. I don't know if that sense. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:19:01
Yeah, no, and again like when sometimes we have our emotional moments, you know, most people 

or companies would be like, look, you gotta get it together. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:12
Yeah. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:19:13
know, this is your life to deal with. And Jonas the whole time will stay steady and 

Joanne Presbury 1:19:19
Yeah, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:19:19
be like, this 

Joanne Presbury 1:19:20
you 

Michelle Willoughby 1:19:20
is just a process, you're going to get through it, you know, I know it's and he kind of talks you through some of those things that you're, you know, struggling with as opposed to a lot of people would be like, get over it, you know. I'm here to make your leg. I don't want to hear, you know, about how 

your life sucks right now. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:19:44
And our clinical staff were all like this. I mean, it's taking years to get to this formula like we have 

Joanne Presbury 1:19:49
a 

Jonas Seeberg 1:19:50
good team between our CPOs and then Michelle with the physical therapy and she's building, you know, looking to higher. So 

Joanne Presbury 1:19:58
very careful 

Jonas Seeberg 1:19:58
we're being who we bring into the fold that they're like-minded, you know, that they're, they're people driven, not money driven. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:07
to 

Joanne Presbury 1:20:07
see. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:07
Like you're going to 

So it's all about, you know, getting that leg out of the door and okay, it'll fit. You'll do better. You know, it's, we'll spend hours making adjustments. trying to get, you know, things optimal. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:20:20
You know, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:21
So, you know, we get paid for the delivery of a device and that device, it includes like all of like design the fabrication, the provision three months worth of unlimited follow-ups, 

Joanne Presbury 1:20:31
is on this system 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:32
and the cost of the 

Joanne Presbury 1:20:32
device. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:34
So, you know, 

Joanne Presbury 1:20:35
time 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:35
every 

Joanne Presbury 1:20:35
you know, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:36
you're 

Joanne Presbury 1:20:36
if 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:37
looking at purely profit margins, every 

Joanne Presbury 1:20:39
time we using 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:41
more and more of that profit. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:20:43
Man, I'm taking you 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:43
But 

Michelle Willoughby 1:20:44
broke. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:44
but but that's 

Rich Bennett 1:20:45
but 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:45
but that's but that's that's not the you know, the yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:48
focus, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:48
This is is the human being like the whole picture mind-body and 

you know, we are a Christian-owned company. Throw that out there. It's 

Rebecca Welsh 1:20:56
it's 

Jonas Seeberg 1:20:57
we we do believe in that higher power. We do believe that we're here for a reason, for a purpose and we know that life this side of heaven is short. So, we do have a thriving ministry of 

who really love and care for each other. You know, and and it's it's uh it's a precious and beautiful thing that I don't take for granted and most people, you know, in the company or or hook line and sinker, one. We're here 

Rebecca Welsh 1:21:26
that's a good 

Jonas Seeberg 1:21:27
for for for this time. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:21:28
you're 

Jonas Seeberg 1:21:28
So, 

Michelle Willoughby 1:21:28
not going to get it any like, 

Jonas Seeberg 1:21:30
carry 

Rich Bennett 1:21:30
it into your Facebook group. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:21:33
All 

Rich Bennett 1:21:33
right, let me rephrase that not the Facebook group. It's a group. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:21:37
Yeah. Just 

Rich Bennett 1:21:37
don't Facebook. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:21:38
Yeah. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:21:38
group. 

Rich Bennett 1:21:39
Outside of the Camp. 

Michelle Willoughby 1:21:44
I think everybody has heart and passion and compassion and, you know, a blessing, you know. Real life has been a blessing 

Jonas Seeberg 1:21:54
it's 

Michelle Willoughby 1:21:54
because honestly, I don't think somebody that wasn't Jesus driven could deal with me real well. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:22:05
Michelle like Michelle. 

Joanne Presbury 1:22:09
It's 

Jonas Seeberg 1:22:10
like that, you know, the lot it was at, you know, like $1 billion or something. I was like, "Well, if we play the lot of one, one, like, what would you do?" And we were both like we would build like the ultimate facility. It's not like going on vacation or like saying goodbye to the world. It was like, "We'll build like this massive center where it's just so cutting it." Like our 

Joanne Presbury 1:22:31
life 

Jonas Seeberg 1:22:32
would change. Like we would stay 

Joanne Presbury 1:22:33
we 

Jonas Seeberg 1:22:33
right where 

Joanne Presbury 1:22:34
know. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:22:35
So yeah, we we were joking. We're like, "Wow, it's like where it's that mindset." You know, it's all about the people. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:41
I would hope somebody started not a prophet too. 

Rebecca Welsh 1:22:43
We're gonna be in touch. 

Jonas Seeberg 1:22:46
Yeah.